I think they probably kept Darryl that long because they knew he was a direct line to Marcus. OR they patched him up and let him heal, but it took longer than they thought because of conditions or because of the stress.
That's a good question, I'm not sure why they would keep Darryl for so much longer than Marcus. It could have been just to keep the plot going or they were holding him in order to maintain contact with Marcus.
They may have thought that Darryl was more of a leader of a group, or less people would notice he was gone becasue he seemed quiteter durning school than Marcus. (Anne W)
Melissa- How could they use Darryl to keep in touch with Marcus if Darryl did not know what Marcus was doing at the time and Marcus was not sure where Darryl was?
I didn't really think about it that way but in this situation it was perfectly fine to take the DHS out of power because they were doing wrong to the citizens.
I wouldn't say it's legal, but I would think that when the way citizens are being treated goes to extremes, a smaller government needs to step in. I'm sure the state government would've needed to step in sooner or later.
Well it all the same government, but what the DHS did was considered illegal so they were arrested by the state police, so the smaller police force stopped them and made the DHS go to court.
@Anna Torture is harder to endure than being shot or hung. When you are put on a death penalty it is over pretty quickly. It should only be for the absolute worse case senario but it is less painful.
@Class Why do you think that Treasure Island is called "Treasure Island?" Do you think that this has any significance in the book as to what happens there?
@Jack S.- I think that the state government should be able to overthrow the DHS in their area because different states have different circumstances. In California's case, the DHS was violating the privacy of its residents, so it had the right to overthrow the DHS. -Emma Y.
Do you thunk severe hair cut lady already know about marcus before he went to the repoter or was she lying. If she wasn't lying, then why do you think she didn't catch marcus before?
I think severe haircut lady knew because it seems like the DHS has lots of resources. I think she didn't catch him because they wanted to have more evidense on him before they caught him. (Anne W)
@innercircle I think Marcus would tell them everything because the last tiem he was there he started to give them his secrets and he would know how controlling the DHS could be and what they could do. (Anne W)
@Lauren: I don't think that the name Treasure Island had any symbolic significance, just because I'm pretty sure that there is already an island called Treasure Island in California, so it was probably just another name of a location.
I think that's a really good question. I would think that it would take murder or to treat innocent people with some sort of disrespect and torture. The death penalty to me is sort of harsh and I don't think it's right for anything, but I'm just going off of what I've seen in papers and what not.
@Natalie So if you kill someone, you get the same back at you? If you mess up, a person can do the exact same felony against you as you did to them or another person?
For a person to earn the death penalty I believe they the person has to be a real danger to himself and others and the authority (doctors, police, etc) believes he/she can not over come that, or will never overcome the danger they cause.
I don't think that any person deserves the death penalty, because I think it's hypocrisy. If the death penalty absolutely had to be used, I think the person would have to have been a 1st degree murderer. -Emma
@Eli Not necessarily but as Jack said above, several things can earn a death penalty, but if you rob someone, it does not mean that you can rob them back.
@Melissa So, we have the duty to kill a person at the point when there is no hope for them? There is always hope. There can never be 100% sure that a person cannot come out of something. Death of a person based on another's belief that there is no hope for them left is a bad way to decide to kill a person.
Deciding on whether or not you support the death penalty is a moral decision. We all will have differing opinions on this because we are all different.
@Natalie Convince me. Sure, this world is filled with a lot of muck and everyone makes mistakes, but under what conditions, circumstances, what crime does a person have to commit to deserve the termination of their own life by others hands? I am not convinced yet.
@Tram I think severe haircut lady did know about Marcus form the beginning, but was letting time be her tool to have more dirt and data on him. He was going to be captured at some point or another, so he was going to be captured sometime.
I agree because Marcus knew earlier on that he would get caught, and by what server Hair cut lady said, they had been on his tracks for a while so maybe they just were waiting for the right opportunity.
@class I was thinking that this book was going to be a run-off of the book 1984. These books are not as similar as i thought except for rebellion of hostile government. Do you see any other resemblances of these two books?
I think that the relationship between Ange and Marcus was a lot like the relationship between Julia and Winston. Emma Goldman was kind of like Goldstein, and Barbara is also kind of like O'Brien in 1984.
I think the book was supposed to resemble 1984 but it wasn't supposed to be the exact same. So it had some of the main points the same but not all the details and the ending was the same. There has to be some differences just becuase of the time differences too. (Anne W)
@Class Do you think that the ending of the book was at all realistic? Could the DHS theoretically be taken down from the government if the US started to become the way it is in the book, especially after the terroist attacks? Do you think that there are people here in the US that would rather have people be tortured for the safety of our country than have no security for the sake of the people being tortured? Is our country already like this?
I liked the ending of the book, just because the good guys won. But it all seemed to happen way fast, which in life somethings do but I fell like in real life it would have been a longer process. I don't believe out country is like this right now.
To tell you the truth, the first two questions are nearly impossible to answer considering we've never been in that sort of situation where the DHS just took over and kidnapped people because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sure that there are many people in the US that would rather people be tortured so that they have freedoms, which in turn, I guess, kind of makes our country like that already.
Maybe it was to get them off US soil. So if they thought someone was truly guilty, then they wanted them off American soil and out of the rest of the governments hands.
For someone to get sent off Treasure Island to another country, I think they would have to poses a big threat to the DHS. I think they were sent out of the country so they were no longer on American soil were they had absolutely no rights and the DHS would have complete control without consequences.
I think a lot of them will be tried. Because of the water boarding incident, those in that room might get the death penalty, but I think msot will go to prison.
I feel like that is just something that a person might not be able to recover from. It really depends on the person, but it would affect how they go on living greatly.
This is kind of what happened in WWII times. The U.S. put Japan and German officials on trial but we couldn't prosecute everyone so the U.S. only charged the leaders because they were the "masterminds" behind the war.I do think it's okay to only charge the leaders but to me severe haircut lady seemed like she was a leader in the plan.
I think she should still be punished because she did do bad things. But I don't think she should be as severly punished as who she got the orders from. (Anne W)
@Mrs. Moritz I do not think that Darryl will ever be able to fully recover. I think that since he is at such a young age, he could be stuck in that mode forever. The other people that you were talking about (the prisioners of war etc.) knew what they were doing when they went in. Darryl was hurt, his friends tried to help him, and then he was stuck in a prision and brainwashed before he knew what was happening.
Both of the two girls that I mentioned were children when they were kidnapped, tortured, and brainwashed. Do you think they will ever be the same--or even be o.k. in society's point of view?
@Class Has this book and the discussions we've had made any of you more paranoid than you think you should be? Or have you kind of pushed it off to the side?
When we have the discussions and the guest speakers come in it gets me thinking and maybe a little paranoid but then I go to lunch and forget about it so it's okay.
It's kind of hard to say if this book has made people more paranoid, as some parts of the book are pretty out there, and seem like they couldn't happen, but then again, the reality of this happening could be closer than we think.
@Lauren I think it was the ending readers wanted to hear, but not necessarily a realistic ending. It was a little Hollywood ending style. Good guys win. Which is always a good ending.
@Natalie- I agree. I think the most impressionable age of people is teenagers, so anything big that happens to them then will stick with them more than if they were any other age. -Emma
In the book Marcus told us about spending weekends at hotels with his friends and going around acting and playing pretend, it sounded pretty fun. Do you think kids now have some of the games Marcus and his friends played?
There definitely are people, kids and adults, that have role play parties such as these. Maybe not as often now that there is less moderated video reality games but the still are a few.
@Class Do you think any of the actions of the DHS in the book made a positive difference? Was there any good in the DHS because we look at them as a terrible organization.
I think it depends on how you look at the DHS. From the view of Marcus, they are the worst people ever. For another ordinary citizen it might be different, maybe they see the DHS as protectors.
I think there were possibly some good things they contributed to the society. Most people didn't fight against the government because they didn't feel a negative affect, in the book it just didn't tell us about it. (Anne W)
I think that some good things came from the actions of the DHS. Because they interviewed so many people, I am sure that they caught some bad guys, like drug dealers, or at least made criminals think twice before they did something because of the increased security.
I agree, Marcus needs to have a solution to how the govvernment should work. It bothers me when people just complain but they have no solution to what could happen instead. (Anne W)
@mmoritz I think that that's kind of like the Occupy protests. They're all sitting around "protesting" but it's over a really general thing. They didn't come up with anything other than, "change the economy" well, duh, but how, why, what part? Marcus is pretty much saying "change the DHS" but, again, how, why, what part?
@Nick You are right but they also all have women who drive them to challenge the system. The women in these books play a huge roll maybe not the lead but they are very important.
@Sophia It is like when we are at war with a country. We say that we hate the government but we do not hate the individual people necessarily. A good example was the first year in WWI when the soldiers from both sides stopped fire completely on Christmas Day to celebrate together.
@Class Could this happen tomorrow? Could a situation like what happened in this book happen tomorrow? What if a city in the USA was attacked by a terrorist group. What would are response be?
I think that this could happen tomorrow because look at what happened after 9/11. Security changed so much. If we were attacked, security would be increased and no one would second guess it because we would all be terrified.
I think that they had been tracking him the entire time since the VampMob. I also think if they weren't following him, they could have asked around, like people he knew or other homeless people.
I actually really enjoyed the end of this book! It seemed like one of the few books we read that had an ending in which the system was successfully challenged. One of the scary things that the ending brings up though is how realistic this is in our society today. Without us even being aware of it, it could be happening all around us everyday. People like Marcus could be taking small steps to prevail our changing society and probably being targeted by the government. I wouldn't say this book has made me more paranoid, but just more aware of how much our government has changed and how it affects each and every person whether they know it or not. Yes it scares me that I can be tracked or found at any possible moment or have my Constitutional rights not even count. The new fear of terrorism has made the country go to extreme limits to keep us safe. Books like Little Brother show us that we can't let the government change everything this country was based of off for a feeling of protection. But are we even fool-proof with our protection? I hear stories of people working for the government to test TSA security who successfully bring bombs and weapons onto planes. If people can still bring on weapons to planes when the security has risen incredibly, the rights we have given up for our safety are no where near worth it. As our country continues to change, we must realize how important our rights are, and we must strive to keep them as long as our country lives.
Why do you think that they kept Darryl so long? What do you think that he did differently than Marcus? He was the hurt one...
ReplyDeleteI think they probably kept Darryl that long because they knew he was a direct line to Marcus. OR they patched him up and let him heal, but it took longer than they thought because of conditions or because of the stress.
DeleteThat's a good question, I'm not sure why they would keep Darryl for so much longer than Marcus. It could have been just to keep the plot going or they were holding him in order to maintain contact with Marcus.
DeleteThey may have thought that Darryl was more of a leader of a group, or less people would notice he was gone becasue he seemed quiteter durning school than Marcus. (Anne W)
DeleteMelissa-
DeleteHow could they use Darryl to keep in touch with Marcus if Darryl did not know what Marcus was doing at the time and Marcus was not sure where Darryl was?
Natalie,
DeleteI don't know.
The state government was able to come in and remove the DHS. Was this legal or should the national government have supreme power?
ReplyDeleteI didn't really think about it that way but in this situation it was perfectly fine to take the DHS out of power because they were doing wrong to the citizens.
DeleteI wouldn't say it's legal, but I would think that when the way citizens are being treated goes to extremes, a smaller government needs to step in. I'm sure the state government would've needed to step in sooner or later.
DeleteWell it all the same government, but what the DHS did was considered illegal so they were arrested by the state police, so the smaller police force stopped them and made the DHS go to court.
Delete@Anna
ReplyDeleteTorture is harder to endure than being shot or hung. When you are put on a death penalty it is over pretty quickly. It should only be for the absolute worse case senario but it is less painful.
@Class
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think that Treasure Island is called "Treasure Island?" Do you think that this has any significance in the book as to what happens there?
@Jack S.- I think that the state government should be able to overthrow the DHS in their area because different states have different circumstances. In California's case, the DHS was violating the privacy of its residents, so it had the right to overthrow the DHS.
ReplyDelete-Emma Y.
Do you thunk severe hair cut lady already know about marcus before he went to the repoter or was she lying. If she wasn't lying, then why do you think she didn't catch marcus before?
ReplyDeleteI don't think that she actually knew, but maybe found out later and used that as a technique to get information out of Marcus.
DeleteTram-
DeleteI think that she was waiting for the right time to crush Marcus completely. I think she wanted to get him at a certain time out of greed.
I think severe haircut lady knew because it seems like the DHS has lots of resources. I think she didn't catch him because they wanted to have more evidense on him before they caught him. (Anne W)
Delete@innercircle I think Marcus would tell them everything because the last tiem he was there he started to give them his secrets and he would know how controlling the DHS could be and what they could do. (Anne W)
ReplyDelete@Jack
ReplyDeleteI think that what the DHS was doing was wrong so the government wouldn't care that the state kicked them out because they were doing bad things.
@Lauren: I don't think that the name Treasure Island had any symbolic significance, just because I'm pretty sure that there is already an island called Treasure Island in California, so it was probably just another name of a location.
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@Class
ReplyDeleteWhat does a person have to do to earn the death penalty? -Eli
Commit murder
Delete@ELi
DeleteI think a person earns death penalty when they kill someone
There are many ways to earn the death penalty, including murder, treason, and kidnapping. Not some petty crime.
DeleteI think that's a really good question. I would think that it would take murder or to treat innocent people with some sort of disrespect and torture. The death penalty to me is sort of harsh and I don't think it's right for anything, but I'm just going off of what I've seen in papers and what not.
Delete@Natalie
DeleteSo if you kill someone, you get the same back at you? If you mess up, a person can do the exact same felony against you as you did to them or another person?
For a person to earn the death penalty I believe they the person has to be a real danger to himself and others and the authority (doctors, police, etc) believes he/she can not over come that, or will never overcome the danger they cause.
DeleteI don't think that any person deserves the death penalty, because I think it's hypocrisy. If the death penalty absolutely had to be used, I think the person would have to have been a 1st degree murderer.
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@Eli
DeleteNot necessarily but as Jack said above, several things can earn a death penalty, but if you rob someone, it does not mean that you can rob them back.
@Melissa
DeleteSo, we have the duty to kill a person at the point when there is no hope for them? There is always hope. There can never be 100% sure that a person cannot come out of something. Death of a person based on another's belief that there is no hope for them left is a bad way to decide to kill a person.
Deciding on whether or not you support the death penalty is a moral decision. We all will have differing opinions on this because we are all different.
Delete@Natalie
DeleteConvince me. Sure, this world is filled with a lot of muck and everyone makes mistakes, but under what conditions, circumstances, what crime does a person have to commit to deserve the termination of their own life by others hands? I am not convinced yet.
@Tram
ReplyDeleteI think severe haircut lady did know about Marcus form the beginning, but was letting time be her tool to have more dirt and data on him. He was going to be captured at some point or another, so he was going to be captured sometime.
I agree because Marcus knew earlier on that he would get caught, and by what server Hair cut lady said, they had been on his tracks for a while so maybe they just were waiting for the right opportunity.
Delete@class
ReplyDeleteI was thinking that this book was going to be a run-off of the book 1984. These books are not as similar as i thought except for rebellion of hostile government. Do you see any other resemblances of these two books?
there is the part of little brother(which seems like big brother), marcus, the romantic relationship, and the characters being locked up.
DeleteI think that the relationship between Ange and Marcus was a lot like the relationship between Julia and Winston. Emma Goldman was kind of like Goldstein, and Barbara is also kind of like O'Brien in 1984.
DeleteThe two books are similar in the sense that the government did something bad to the character and the character wanted to rebel and bring it down.
DeleteI think the book was supposed to resemble 1984 but it wasn't supposed to be the exact same. So it had some of the main points the same but not all the details and the ending was the same. There has to be some differences just becuase of the time differences too. (Anne W)
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ReplyDeleteDo you think that the ending of the book was at all realistic? Could the DHS theoretically be taken down from the government if the US started to become the way it is in the book, especially after the terroist attacks? Do you think that there are people here in the US that would rather have people be tortured for the safety of our country than have no security for the sake of the people being tortured? Is our country already like this?
I liked the ending of the book, just because the good guys won. But it all seemed to happen way fast, which in life somethings do but I fell like in real life it would have been a longer process. I don't believe out country is like this right now.
DeleteTo tell you the truth, the first two questions are nearly impossible to answer considering we've never been in that sort of situation where the DHS just took over and kidnapped people because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sure that there are many people in the US that would rather people be tortured so that they have freedoms, which in turn, I guess, kind of makes our country like that already.
DeleteThe DHS is a part of the government. If they posed a threat to the well-being of the United States' people, it could be taken down.
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Where do you think the DHS sent the people who got sent overseas and why do you think they were sent there? How babd did they have to be?
ReplyDeleteI believe the book said they were sent to Syria, maybe because they felt Treasure Island would be too close to home.
DeleteMaybe it was to get them off US soil. So if they thought someone was truly guilty, then they wanted them off American soil and out of the rest of the governments hands.
DeleteFor someone to get sent off Treasure Island to another country, I think they would have to poses a big threat to the DHS. I think they were sent out of the country so they were no longer on American soil were they had absolutely no rights and the DHS would have complete control without consequences.
DeleteWhat do you think is going to happen to severe haircut lady and the rest of the DHS people? Will they go to prison or get the death penalty maybe?
ReplyDeleteI think it's only prison that they have to serve.
DeleteI think a lot of them will be tried. Because of the water boarding incident, those in that room might get the death penalty, but I think msot will go to prison.
DeleteI bet they will be charged with some kind of crime for all that they have done.
DeleteSevere haircut lady was let go so I think that a lot of the others will be too.
DeleteI feel like that is just something that a person might not be able to recover from. It really depends on the person, but it would affect how they go on living greatly.
DeleteSevere haircut lady wasn't given a punishment, was this fair because she was given orders by her superiors or should she have been punished?
ReplyDeleteI think she should have been punished. She did too many harsh things to innocent people. I don't think she should just get away with it.
DeleteThis is kind of what happened in WWII times. The U.S. put Japan and German officials on trial but we couldn't prosecute everyone so the U.S. only charged the leaders because they were the "masterminds" behind the war.I do think it's okay to only charge the leaders but to me severe haircut lady seemed like she was a leader in the plan.
DeleteI think she should still be punished because she did do bad things. But I don't think she should be as severly punished as who she got the orders from. (Anne W)
Delete@Class
ReplyDeleteIn all of the books that we have read, who is the most like Marcus, in your own opinion?
Montag
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DeleteI agree. I feel like they both had some character that helped them stand up (Clarisse and Ange) to the government and they both got caught.
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ReplyDeleteI do not think that Darryl will ever be able to fully recover. I think that since he is at such a young age, he could be stuck in that mode forever. The other people that you were talking about (the prisioners of war etc.) knew what they were doing when they went in. Darryl was hurt, his friends tried to help him, and then he was stuck in a prision and brainwashed before he knew what was happening.
Both of the two girls that I mentioned were children when they were kidnapped, tortured, and brainwashed. Do you think they will ever be the same--or even be o.k. in society's point of view?
DeleteNo I do not. I think that they will always be paranoid because they did not know what a carefree life was like. They are probably scared for life.
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ReplyDeleteHas this book and the discussions we've had made any of you more paranoid than you think you should be? Or have you kind of pushed it off to the side?
Gosh--I hope not. But I do hope that you are more aware.
DeleteWhen we have the discussions and the guest speakers come in it gets me thinking and maybe a little paranoid but then I go to lunch and forget about it so it's okay.
DeleteIt's kind of hard to say if this book has made people more paranoid, as some parts of the book are pretty out there, and seem like they couldn't happen, but then again, the reality of this happening could be closer than we think.
DeleteThe part I got most paranoid was when the gueat speakers came to talk to us. I haven't changed any of the things I usually do though. (Anne W)
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ReplyDeleteI think it was the ending readers wanted to hear, but not necessarily a realistic ending. It was a little Hollywood ending style. Good guys win. Which is always a good ending.
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ReplyDeleteI agree. I think the most impressionable age of people is teenagers, so anything big that happens to them then will stick with them more than if they were any other age.
-Emma
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ReplyDeleteI don't ever try to be gender specific, but all the books we have read seem to have all male main characters. Why do you suppose this is?
I think that's partial to the fact that they're all male authors. It's easier for them to write about a boy than it is a girl.
DeleteWhat about Ange and Van? Ange had a very large roll in this book, and without Van he never would have been released from prison.
DeleteIn the book Marcus told us about spending weekends at hotels with his friends and going around acting and playing pretend, it sounded pretty fun. Do you think kids now have some of the games Marcus and his friends played?
ReplyDeleteThere definitely are people, kids and adults, that have role play parties such as these. Maybe not as often now that there is less moderated video reality games but the still are a few.
DeleteI think they would be theatre kids and kids who enjoy acting. I do not think that a bunch of hotels would let a bunch of kids run around though.
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ReplyDeleteDo you think any of the actions of the DHS in the book made a positive difference? Was there any good in the DHS because we look at them as a terrible organization.
I think it depends on how you look at the DHS. From the view of Marcus, they are the worst people ever. For another ordinary citizen it might be different, maybe they see the DHS as protectors.
DeleteI think there were possibly some good things they contributed to the society. Most people didn't fight against the government because they didn't feel a negative affect, in the book it just didn't tell us about it. (Anne W)
DeleteI think that some good things came from the actions of the DHS. Because they interviewed so many people, I am sure that they caught some bad guys, like drug dealers, or at least made criminals think twice before they did something because of the increased security.
DeleteI agree, Marcus needs to have a solution to how the govvernment should work. It bothers me when people just complain but they have no solution to what could happen instead. (Anne W)
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ReplyDeleteI think that that's kind of like the Occupy protests. They're all sitting around "protesting" but it's over a really general thing. They didn't come up with anything other than, "change the economy" well, duh, but how, why, what part? Marcus is pretty much saying "change the DHS" but, again, how, why, what part?
@Nick
ReplyDeleteYou are right but they also all have women who drive them to challenge the system. The women in these books play a huge roll maybe not the lead but they are very important.
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ReplyDeleteIt is like when we are at war with a country. We say that we hate the government but we do not hate the individual people necessarily. A good example was the first year in WWI when the soldiers from both sides stopped fire completely on Christmas Day to celebrate together.
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ReplyDeleteCould this happen tomorrow? Could a situation like what happened in this book happen tomorrow? What if a city in the USA was attacked by a terrorist group. What would are response be?
I think that this could happen tomorrow because look at what happened after 9/11. Security changed so much. If we were attacked, security would be increased and no one would second guess it because we would all be terrified.
DeleteHow was the DHS able to find him under the bridge? He was so careful to cover his tracks.
ReplyDeleteI think that they had been tracking him the entire time since the VampMob. I also think if they weren't following him, they could have asked around, like people he knew or other homeless people.
DeleteI actually really enjoyed the end of this book! It seemed like one of the few books we read that had an ending in which the system was successfully challenged. One of the scary things that the ending brings up though is how realistic this is in our society today. Without us even being aware of it, it could be happening all around us everyday. People like Marcus could be taking small steps to prevail our changing society and probably being targeted by the government. I wouldn't say this book has made me more paranoid, but just more aware of how much our government has changed and how it affects each and every person whether they know it or not. Yes it scares me that I can be tracked or found at any possible moment or have my Constitutional rights not even count. The new fear of terrorism has made the country go to extreme limits to keep us safe. Books like Little Brother show us that we can't let the government change everything this country was based of off for a feeling of protection. But are we even fool-proof with our protection? I hear stories of people working for the government to test TSA security who successfully bring bombs and weapons onto planes. If people can still bring on weapons to planes when the security has risen incredibly, the rights we have given up for our safety are no where near worth it. As our country continues to change, we must realize how important our rights are, and we must strive to keep them as long as our country lives.
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