PAIGE I agree with the thought that they don't really love each other and that it is similar to an arranged marriage situation because they don't really have conversations and don't remember where they met.
@Eli Montag's marriage with Mildred is very different from today in many ways. First of all they do not remember when and how they met, they are not very socially active, and Mildred is interested more in the tv walls then in her own husband.
JAYLA I think the fact that Mildred did not remember them meeting proved that she didn't actually loved him, she only loves the people in the television. She actually thinks that those people on the screen are her family. I think Mildred doers love her husband, she just doesn't know how.
Why does Mildred prefer her "family," not Montag? Does she really even care about him or not? And is her "family" just TV characters or voices of people?
JACK S I think Mildred gave in to reading the books because she really did love him and started to notice that they were drifting apart and she wanted to come back together.
When Beatty comes to the house because Montag is "sick" and didn't come into work, he explains to him the history of firemen. Does Beatty suspect Montag for having a book?
@Inner Circle Mildred obviously knows that she isn't sick that is why she isn't taking care of him. He knows he isn't sick as well, he is playing hookie because he does not want to go back to work. Mildred is worried that he is going to loose money, and that is why she wants him to go back to work.
I do believe that they do get sick, but because the people in their society do not really interact with one another the chances of catching a cold is reduced.
@JACK S I think Beatty definitely thinks that Montag has a book because I think that the situation of firemen taking books occurs consistently, so he deals with it a lot.
@Sam I think that the government likes the control now because all of the people are in order and the people only have to worry about the mysterious war that is going on.
@Sam G The government wants them to be controlled by the television because they can control everything that projects through the screen, while books can be written through ones own thoughts. They do not want people to read about how it was before (in the past).
Did Beatty see that Mildred had felt the book under Montag's pillow and just pretended that he didn't see it? It seems like he kind of knows that Montag has books hidden in his house...
@Natalie I think if Mildred died he would miss her because they are companions and he cares for her. But then again a big weight would be lifted because he wouldn't have to care for her and her medical problems.
@jack Smith I don't think Beatty suspects Montag of stealing a book, I think Beatty thinks that Montag is going to quit his job and is unsure why he is a fireman any more, so Beatty had to explain to him why he does his job
This happened in WWII when Hitler would just feed his propaganda to the people so since the government is controlling what people are seeing or doing, they don't know any different so they think it is right and just.
@Jack and Natalie That is true but when did the government change? Nowadays the government supports the ideas of reading and socializing at least it seems that way.
Mildred started to refer to characters on the tv as family members. This is also a sign that Mildred and Montag aren't close because she is adding virtual people to the family that she talks to more than her actual family. (Anne)
At what point do you guys think is the cut off between people who know what the government is trying to do, and the people who are controlled. Do you think Beatty knows what the government is trying to do?
In Beatty's explanation of why the firemen went from stopping fires to starting them, I was very surprised that the government had little part in the censorship of books.
@Rachel I agree that its a subconcience sort of sickness, like he just couldn't handle going into work after seeing the women set herself on fire and so he stays home even though his sickness was probably not so bad that he couldn't work.
@Tram With being the Captain of the Firemen he might not get the opportunity to to ask questions about life. Also if the government is controlling him to be the example for the other firefighters.
@ Lauren A. I do believe by now that Beatty knows that Montag has a book or two. Based on the fact that Beatty brings up that every once in a while a firemen gets suspicious and decides to read a book, and he says that it is okay as long as they burn it within 24 hours or else the firemen will burn it.
@inner circle Clarisse's death had little visual effect on Montag. In this world where war is all around and kids kill kids, I see how he didn't feel a huge hit.
I think that Montag will try to take over Clarisse's role in questioning society and I think the books are the first step. I also wonder why he had this sudden revolution and why he had kept the books. The first line in the book is, "It was a pleasure to burn." I get why he took the book from the old woman but why would he have kept so many other books?
@Mrs. Moritz I think Montag would want to find someone to replace Clarisse because from talking to her he now knows what it's like to have a real conversation and think about things but I'm not sure if he would know where to go to "find" a new Clarisse.
@MORITZ I don't think Montag will look for someone to replace Clarisse because he doesn't know what to look for. Clarisse was indescribable to him and everybody else in society besides her family.
@ Rachael If bringing back books is the turning point then how is it going to happen? How will that bring a peaceful ending? OR will this story not have a peaceful ending?
I'm suprised Mildred actually sat down and tried to read the books with Montag when he showed them to her. It seems that there isn't enough trust or connection between then to keep a secret that big. I thought she would go tell someone about to books. (Anne)
@class Why did Beatty seem so sour about the whole system in the modern world when he was telling Montag why books had started to be burnt? Do you think that he used to have books and if so, do you think he liked and cared about them? In the book, he seemed angry about the whole thing.
@moritz I doubt that he will find a replacement for Clarisse. He is just now starting to read books and I believe that they will grow to replace her. She only has a limited knowledge on everything, while books can specialize on different things.
@MMoritz Maybe Montag is going to try to become more like Clarisse, so that he can be the Clarisse for other people. It sounds like it would be very hard for him to find another person like Clarisse.
I think it would be difficult in the society they are apart of to find someone else to talk to like Montag talked to Clarisse. Not everybody is so free-spirited and willing to talk about anything-not nothing like Clarisse and her family.
Beatty quoted a book after the woman killed herself with her books. Do you think he is really a well-read man who hides behind the facade of being a fireman so that he can read?
I was suprised that Montag could even read the book when he first got it. He had troubles when he first read it but it seems like he would have no idea how to read at all because he was never able to before. (Anne)
Jack Smith- I think that her death was a rude awakening to Montag. I think it did have an obvious effect on him, he didn't just accept it. He didn't want it to be true.
@ Mrs. Moritz I do believe that Montag will search or try to find someone else like Clarisse to talk to. Mainly because I believe as he reads these books he will have questions about them and besides Clarisse evreryone else in the society doesn't really have concern about anything else. So if Montag doesn't find someone like Clarisse to talk to he will just be stuck with a lot of un answered questions.
@Maura I don't think that Montag will find SOMEONE to help fill the void for Clarise but SOMETHING rather. I think the books will help him through this tough time that he is dealing with. The books will work as a human influence, even though it is an object.
@Mrs. Moritz I think he already has.. Instead of finding some one like clarise, some one will become a figure like that. I think his wife going to fulfill that position after he/they find the meaning of life
@MMORITZ I think that Beatty definitely reads or used to read a lot because he quoted that text flawlessly. I think that he also understands what Montag is going through with his questioning phase.
I think Montag won't try to find someone to replace Clarisse because he knows not enough people are like that in to world to find someone like her. This was the first person he had ever met like her. (Anne)
When Montag is trying to sleep and he feels a chill and looks out the window, is the hound out there hunting him? How did he know it was there and why is the hound out searching?
@Sam I do not know when the government started their control. I do not think that the people even know when it started because they dated the burning back to the civil war... The government can not control what is printed as easily as they can what is transmitted.
The next section is called "The Sieve and the Sand" and if the word sieve means someone who can't keep a secret, which character will spill a secret and what could the secret be about?
@ANNA Z I believe that that is a good question and I am not sure what the secret might be, but I believe that Mildred would spill the secret because she doesn't appear to be someone that thinks before she speaks.
@Anna Z That is a really good question, and I think that if someone were to spill a secret it would be Mildred about the books. I doubt it would be hard for her to turn against her husband and have him taken away to the asylum, or even killed.
Since Montag couldn't understand the books when he first read them I think he will try someone to help him. He knows there is someone out there that will because there was that one night in the park when the strange man started to ask him about books and gave him a card. He might still have the card and try to find him to help Montag read and understand the books. (Anne)
Will Montag ever go back to work in the firehouse? Or will he stay home and read books till they come and take him away? I think he will go back to the firehouse eventually to be able to get more books...
@Jack S. I don't think the hound is hunting him specifically. It might be like a routine thing that the hound does, once a week or something they send it out to go track down people or things.
@Mrs. Moritz I agee with your idea that Beatty may in fact be reading books and may be hidding behind the power of being a firemen in order to keep reading books he may have in safety. I lean towards this idea because he recognizes when Montag says, "Once upon a time" and he seems to have a lot of knowledge/backround about books.
@class I think that when Montag first starts to read the books, he will be frustrated and confused becasue he doesn't know how to read the books from beginning to end, like they should be read so that they make sense. This is mentioned on page 68. I think that it will take him a while to become intellectual and figure things out through the books, in the way that Clarisse seemed to think about things in a different, more intellectual perspective. Do you think that reading the books will help Mildred become more intellectual, and then allow she and Montag to bond more deeply? How will the books play a role in shaping how Montag and Mildred become different people throughout the book?
@Ms. Moritz I don't nescessarily think that he uses his status as a fireman to hide his book reading. I get the impression that he is a well bred man of the government and he honestly doesn't care abotu the books. He does seem forgiving though so I think that he might have read a couple books here and there but he knows that it is against his duty.
@Eli If beatty was actually at the door, than what would he do? He knew about that book already and he already gave Montage a day. Whats the point of coming back? Did the author do that to create anxiety for the readers? For Montage?
@Lauren A I think the reason Beatty couldn't understand the books was for the same reason. He told Montag that they were useless because he couldn't understand them. Montag will have trouble at the start, but once he is able to comprehend the books, his mind will be opened.
@Jack Smith I think he will go back too, to get more books. He may get caught, but then again he stole the books he already has without getting caught so whose to say he can't do it again? Maybe he will persuade other firemen to read and challenge the rules.
@Eli If Captain Beatty was the one at the door, I think that the reason he would have come back is because he suspects they may have books. He seemed like he understood people and books in general, so maybe he suspects that maybe he would pull out books afterward.
@Trevor, @Tram, @Jack Yes I would agree that Mildred is a probable character to spill the secret, but what about Captain Beatty. Since he already has a file on Clarisse, could Montag find out the truth about Clarisse through Beatty?
I think Captain Beaty can tell Montag has books because he knows the signs. I think Beatty had books once because he was able to quote part of a book. Beatty probably had the same reaction when he went through the same thing. (Anne)
Do you think that all people know how to read? Does anyone know how to other than Beatty? If these people are so sheltered, how do you learn to read if you don't have books to help?
@RACHEL I agree with you that he will challenge the system and like you, I don't have many thoughts on how it will turn out but I think once he gets people to think with him, they will be successful.
@Anna Z I think it will be Clarisse's family to leak the secret. They always talk, and undoubtedly Clarisse shared Montag with them. When she died, they probably left their intellectual views and will conform to society, by turning Montag and Mildred in.
@Angelo I think it could be a mistake if she gets nervous and tells someone that Montag has books, but it could also be a good thing if she reads the books and they encourage her to think more intellectually, allowing she and Montag to bond more?
@Anna That is a good point, but it seems a bit too obvious. I did think about that but I feel like its too up-front, and is not likely because it is so likely. I hope that makes sense!
If Clarisse really is dead...what was her purpose?? Do you think she has done all she needed to do, or do you think she will eventually return to the story?
@Angelo I do not think that showing Mildred the books was a mistake because she does not seem like the type of person to turn him in but it might strenghten their relationship. The books might open up a whole new world of ideas that no one had ever thought about before.
@inner circle It seems that people conform to all regulations in this world. Will Montag try to challenge the system to remove all of the constraints and let people make their own views?
Was Clarise really killed in a car accident? Was it really an "accident?" I feel the government had something to do with it. Like their trying to eliminate the "odd ones".
@Natalie They do read words every where, they watch television that has words, they have signs that have words and numbers, i think the format of books is just so weird and different that they aren't used to it.
@MMORITZ I think that Clarisse's role in the story is not completed. However, in the thought of people's roles and purposes, do these people believe in any religion?
@Inner Circle I'm not sure if a big rebellion could be started but if you talk to the right people something could be done. Some people probably are totally fine with not being able to read books so they wouldn't want to get involved while others if they start thinking about it they would really want to change how the government controls everyone.
@inner circle I don't remember who stated that the Government has lead society to believe that reading book will not make you happy. Based on that fact i believe that if Montag dicedes to start a rebelion not many people will follow because people in his enjoy being happy and would not want to chance loosing that happiness.
@Jack B I think that the war will allow Montag to do something and make a change in the world, because the other citizens will be distracted with things involving it?
@MMortiz In general, I think that Clarisse has set up the story and set Montag on his path, but I still feel like she come back to help him with it. I have trouble believing that she just died and her family just got up and moved.
@mmoritz I think Clarisse's purpose in the story was to get Montag to start thinking about what he was doing. If Montag never met Clarisse then he probably wouldn't have read the books. I think she will never come back to the story but Montag might think about her and what she would do on his future journey. (Anne)
@Tram Although the government has a lot of control I don't know if they really could pick out somebody and have them killed. If they are doing that then it has to be a big deal with lots of people involved therefore the public would probably be more aware.
@Ms. Moritz I definatly Clarisse will appear later in the book. For the book, her purpose was to question society and make Montag think. In the book I don't thinkg that she really had a set purpose that she knows of. She physically might not appear but her ideas and thoughts will definatly reoccur.
@CLASS Do you believe that these characters in this era where all texts are burned believe in religion? Because wouldn't all religious texts be destroyed as well?
@Jianna Besides Mildred I believe that Clarisse represents curiosity because she is the only one so far who is curious about everything and questions why things are the way they are.
@Jack S. It just seems odd that when Beatty told Montag that they had a file on Clarisse and her family, and that she was supposedly killed before the conversation.
@Sam G I agree that the war is possibly about the books but the government is just keeping it a secret. Do you think people will find out and finally rebel?
@Jack B. I think that the war was a descriptive detail in the book rather than a main part. We don't know who is fighting in the war and what they are fighting for so I don't think it's a big deal.
@Tram I also believe that te government may have had something to do with Clarisse's death, if she did really die. As Beatty made clear, people are watching her family and know that they are odd, and Beatty saw that her opinion has already changed Montag's opinion, so maybe they are trying to stop people from making others question how things are. Kathleen
Mildred is very focused on worldly possessions. She loves her T.V.'s and her show's. Montag is more of an idealistic person, and prefers to think and ponder the problems of the world. Is there a correlation where the two opposites (Montag and Mildred) get married?
@Jack I don't think he can. I actually believe instead of a peaceful ending with everybody finding their own views and thinking, everything will be like "Harris and Burgeon". The two people who decide to stand up to society end up in a tragedy. I feel this will be Montage's story.
@Annie G What if the television does not have words? Do you think that they could have cut all words out of society? With all of this technology, I wonder if they have people talk to people via electronic device.
@Bloggers I think it is possible that the war is about the books, could it possibly be a civil war? Are books banned around there world? Why would other countries care and fight us if we banned books?
@ Mrs.Moritz I think that Clarisse's purpose in the story was to get Montag to question why is the Government having the firemen destroy all books as well as well as question weather or not he is happy with his life.
@Natalie B. That would be craazy, but totally possible. Numbers ofcourse are still apart of society, we know this because of the 451 on every firemen's uniform.
@class Does Mildred do anything for a living other than just watch TV all day? Did Montag know that he would have to work as a fireman to support he and Mildred or was Mildred a different person who was not lost in her TV "family" when they were married ten years ago?
It's sad that Mildred and Montag can't have even a simple conversation. When Montag asked about what was happening in her tv show she can't give him an actual response about what is happening. (Anne)
@Jack B Maybe the country that Montag lives in might have invaded another country or several others on the subject of books; therefore, causing the civil war.
@Trevor I think they could get things transmitted or sent to them. How many rooms do you think that the typical house has? Do you think that they watch TV, eat, sleep, and do their jobs if they have one? Do you think that everyday blends into the next for average people.
@Natalie Maybe because of the violence, like when Clarisse says that her teenage friends have killed each other, or when Mildred says that Clarisse was killed? Or maybe it is scary to think that our world is so much like the one in the book, and it is scary to think about our world being like that?
Mildred doesn't even know that much about her virtual 'family.' When Montag asks about the tv show she was watching she didn't even know if two of the characters were married or not. Mildred didn't care about what was happening in the family she just wanted to be entertained. (Anne)
@Jack If it was a civil war then many people would be curious of why they are at war and so far people in the society haven't talked about or even mentioned the war besides Montag hearing and feeling the jets fly above.
@Trevor The people do leave their homes because Montag has to walk from his home to the fire department and that is where he started talking to Clarisse. I bet the people do make errands to the grocery store and such. They mostly just go through life like they are in a haze it seems and occasionally talk with one another, just small talk though.
When people watch too much TV, their brains kind of turn to mush. I do not think that these people are very bright because they watch TV almost all day and the TVs are so cheap, the inteligence level of these people is really low. I think that is another reason why the government likes controlling these people over the TV.
Does anyone excersize? Does everyone just sit around there house all day and watch TV, unless they're a fireman? And do they have any other jobs? Does anyone ever have weddings, and when they burn books do they burn pictures and scrapbooks too? Kathleen
@Jack S I agree with you. Have you even thought of it? I mean when did they? When did anyone in the story eat and have a decent conversation not including Clarise's family. I think the gov. has something to do with that because if you think about it. When families eat, most of the time, conversations start up.
@Kathleen I think almost everyone has a job. There has to be police and lawyers and important jobs like that. I'm sure Mildred in this situation is a housewife. I also DON'T think that they even take pictures anymore, it's probably just not interesting enough to them to keep the memories of the past.
@Trevor I think people would have to leave their homes to get groceries and things like that. However, they probably just buy things in bulk so that they don't have to go to the store that often.
@Lauren They probably don't even think about who they are marrying. They marry just because that's what "society" does, even though they don't really care.
@Tram I like your thought on the possibility that the government killed Clarisse, but I think it was probably just kids driving around way too fast and hit her.
What is the significance of Mildred giving in and reading the books?
ReplyDeletePAIGE
ReplyDeleteI agree with the thought that they don't really love each other and that it is similar to an arranged marriage situation because they don't really have conversations and don't remember where they met.
@Eli
ReplyDeleteMontag's marriage with Mildred is very different from today in many ways. First of all they do not remember when and how they met, they are not very socially active, and Mildred is interested more in the tv walls then in her own husband.
JAYLA
ReplyDeleteI think the fact that Mildred did not remember them meeting proved that she didn't actually loved him, she only loves the people in the television. She actually thinks that those people on the screen are her family. I think Mildred doers love her husband, she just doesn't know how.
@Jack
ReplyDeleteI think that she is curious about the books and also doesn't Montag convince her that they are in this together and can't go back.
Why does Mildred prefer her "family," not Montag? Does she really even care about him or not? And is her "family" just TV characters or voices of people?
ReplyDeleteJACK S
ReplyDeleteI think Mildred gave in to reading the books because she really did love him and started to notice that they were drifting apart and she wanted to come back together.
Based on their relationship so far, how do you think that Montag would react if his wife died?
ReplyDeleteWhen Beatty comes to the house because Montag is "sick" and didn't come into work, he explains to him the history of firemen. Does Beatty suspect Montag for having a book?
ReplyDelete@paige
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think she is so inconsiderate of her husband?
At what point do you think people began to be controlled by television and why does the government prefer it that way?
ReplyDelete@Inner Circle
ReplyDeleteMildred obviously knows that she isn't sick that is why she isn't taking care of him. He knows he isn't sick as well, he is playing hookie because he does not want to go back to work. Mildred is worried that he is going to loose money, and that is why she wants him to go back to work.
I do believe that they do get sick, but because the people in their society do not really interact with one another the chances of catching a cold is reduced.
ReplyDelete@JACK S
ReplyDeleteI think Beatty definitely thinks that Montag has a book because I think that the situation of firemen taking books occurs consistently, so he deals with it a lot.
@garrett
ReplyDeleteBecause she doesn't actually love him, just thinks she does
@Sam
ReplyDeleteI think that the government likes the control now because all of the people are in order and the people only have to worry about the mysterious war that is going on.
He vomits!
ReplyDelete@Sam G
ReplyDeleteThe government wants them to be controlled by the television because they can control everything that projects through the screen, while books can be written through ones own thoughts. They do not want people to read about how it was before (in the past).
How does everyone know who clarisse is when they never go outside and socialize?
ReplyDeleteDid Beatty see that Mildred had felt the book under Montag's pillow and just pretended that he didn't see it? It seems like he kind of knows that Montag has books hidden in his house...
ReplyDelete@inner circle
ReplyDeleteMontag probably got the books from the fires before they lit them.
Awesome question Sam!!! I don't know.
ReplyDelete@Jianna
ReplyDeleteI agree on the fact that so far only Montag, Clarisse, and Beatty think deeply and ask questions.
@Natalie
ReplyDeleteI think if Mildred died he would miss her because they are companions and he cares for her. But then again a big weight would be lifted because he wouldn't have to care for her and her medical problems.
@jack Smith
ReplyDeleteI don't think Beatty suspects Montag of stealing a book, I think Beatty thinks that Montag is going to quit his job and is unsure why he is a fireman any more, so Beatty had to explain to him why he does his job
@Sam G
ReplyDeleteBeatty said that they have a record of Clarisse and that they have been watching her and her family.
This happened in WWII when Hitler would just feed his propaganda to the people so since the government is controlling what people are seeing or doing, they don't know any different so they think it is right and just.
ReplyDeleteBeatty knows all of this info and has even read a couple books, how come he isn't questioning life like Montage is?
ReplyDelete@Jack and Natalie
ReplyDeleteThat is true but when did the government change? Nowadays the government supports the ideas of reading and socializing at least it seems that way.
Mildred started to refer to characters on the tv as family members. This is also a sign that Mildred and Montag aren't close because she is adding virtual people to the family that she talks to more than her actual family. (Anne)
ReplyDeleteAt what point do you guys think is the cut off between people who know what the government is trying to do, and the people who are controlled. Do you think Beatty knows what the government is trying to do?
ReplyDeleteGarret-
ReplyDeleteI think that she feels like she knows the people on the TV more than her own husband so she chooses to be kinder to them.
In Beatty's explanation of why the firemen went from stopping fires to starting them, I was very surprised that the government had little part in the censorship of books.
ReplyDeleteDo you think Montag will try to find someone to replace Clarisse? Someone to talk to, because obviously he can't talk to his wife. So sad.
ReplyDelete@Rachel
ReplyDeleteI agree that its a subconcience sort of sickness, like he just couldn't handle going into work after seeing the women set herself on fire and so he stays home even though his sickness was probably not so bad that he couldn't work.
Kathleen C.
@Tram
ReplyDeleteWith being the Captain of the Firemen he might not get the opportunity to to ask questions about life. Also if the government is controlling him to be the example for the other firefighters.
@ tram
ReplyDeleteI don't think he is questioning life because he knows that it won't do any good, just cause more harm.
@ Lauren A.
ReplyDeleteI do believe by now that Beatty knows that Montag has a book or two. Based on the fact that Beatty brings up that every once in a while a firemen gets suspicious and decides to read a book, and he says that it is okay as long as they burn it within 24 hours or else the firemen will burn it.
@inner circle
ReplyDeleteClarisse's death had little visual effect on Montag. In this world where war is all around and kids kill kids, I see how he didn't feel a huge hit.
I think that Montag will try to take over Clarisse's role in questioning society and I think the books are the first step. I also wonder why he had this sudden revolution and why he had kept the books. The first line in the book is, "It was a pleasure to burn." I get why he took the book from the old woman but why would he have kept so many other books?
ReplyDelete@Mrs. Moritz
ReplyDeleteI think Montag would want to find someone to replace Clarisse because from talking to her he now knows what it's like to have a real conversation and think about things but I'm not sure if he would know where to go to "find" a new Clarisse.
@MORITZ
ReplyDeleteI don't think Montag will look for someone to replace Clarisse because he doesn't know what to look for. Clarisse was indescribable to him and everybody else in society besides her family.
@ Rachael
ReplyDeleteIf bringing back books is the turning point then how is it going to happen? How will that bring a peaceful ending? OR will this story not have a peaceful ending?
I'm suprised Mildred actually sat down and tried to read the books with Montag when he showed them to her. It seems that there isn't enough trust or connection between then to keep a secret that big. I thought she would go tell someone about to books. (Anne)
ReplyDelete@class
ReplyDeleteWhy did Beatty seem so sour about the whole system in the modern world when he was telling Montag why books had started to be burnt? Do you think that he used to have books and if so, do you think he liked and cared about them? In the book, he seemed angry about the whole thing.
I think when they start reading books Mildred and Montag might start to converse with eachother more and start to care.
ReplyDelete@moritz
ReplyDeleteI doubt that he will find a replacement for Clarisse. He is just now starting to read books and I believe that they will grow to replace her. She only has a limited knowledge on everything, while books can specialize on different things.
@MMoritz
ReplyDeleteMaybe Montag is going to try to become more like Clarisse, so that he can be the Clarisse for other people. It sounds like it would be very hard for him to find another person like Clarisse.
Kathleen
I think it would be difficult in the society they are apart of to find someone else to talk to like Montag talked to Clarisse. Not everybody is so free-spirited and willing to talk about anything-not nothing like Clarisse and her family.
ReplyDeleteBeatty quoted a book after the woman killed herself with her books. Do you think he is really a well-read man who hides behind the facade of being a fireman so that he can read?
ReplyDelete@Sam
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, the books will be like a common ground they share. It will also give them something to talk about.
I was suprised that Montag could even read the book when he first got it. He had troubles when he first read it but it seems like he would have no idea how to read at all because he was never able to before. (Anne)
ReplyDeleteJack Smith-
ReplyDeleteI think that her death was a rude awakening to Montag. I think it did have an obvious effect on him, he didn't just accept it. He didn't want it to be true.
@Anne
ReplyDeleteI agree with that. I thought she was going to answer the door and get Montag in trouble.
@ Mrs. Moritz
ReplyDeleteI do believe that Montag will search or try to find someone else like Clarisse to talk to. Mainly because I believe as he reads these books he will have questions about them and besides Clarisse evreryone else in the society doesn't really have concern about anything else. So if Montag doesn't find someone like Clarisse to talk to he will just be stuck with a lot of un answered questions.
@Maura
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Montag will find SOMEONE to help fill the void for Clarise but SOMETHING rather. I think the books will help him through this tough time that he is dealing with. The books will work as a human influence, even though it is an object.
@Mrs. Moritz
ReplyDeleteI think he already has..
Instead of finding some one like clarise, some one will become a figure like that. I think his wife going to fulfill that position after he/they find the meaning of life
@MMORITZ
ReplyDeleteI think that Beatty definitely reads or used to read a lot because he quoted that text flawlessly. I think that he also understands what Montag is going through with his questioning phase.
I think Montag won't try to find someone to replace Clarisse because he knows not enough people are like that in to world to find someone like her. This was the first person he had ever met like her. (Anne)
ReplyDeleteWhen Montag is trying to sleep and he feels a chill and looks out the window, is the hound out there hunting him? How did he know it was there and why is the hound out searching?
ReplyDelete@Sam
ReplyDeleteI do not know when the government started their control. I do not think that the people even know when it started because they dated the burning back to the civil war... The government can not control what is printed as easily as they can what is transmitted.
The next section is called "The Sieve and the Sand" and if the word sieve means someone who can't keep a secret, which character will spill a secret and what could the secret be about?
ReplyDeleteMaybe Montag will be like Clarisse and open other people and get them to start talking and questioning the system.
ReplyDelete@ANNA Z
ReplyDeleteI believe that that is a good question and I am not sure what the secret might be, but I believe that Mildred would spill the secret because she doesn't appear to be someone that thinks before she speaks.
@Anna Z
ReplyDeleteThat is a really good question, and I think that if someone were to spill a secret it would be Mildred about the books. I doubt it would be hard for her to turn against her husband and have him taken away to the asylum, or even killed.
Since Montag couldn't understand the books when he first read them I think he will try someone to help him. He knows there is someone out there that will because there was that one night in the park when the strange man started to ask him about books and gave him a card. He might still have the card and try to find him to help Montag read and understand the books. (Anne)
ReplyDeleteWill Montag ever go back to work in the firehouse? Or will he stay home and read books till they come and take him away? I think he will go back to the firehouse eventually to be able to get more books...
ReplyDelete@Jack S.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the hound is hunting him specifically. It might be like a routine thing that the hound does, once a week or something they send it out to go track down people or things.
@Mrs. Moritz
ReplyDeleteI agee with your idea that Beatty may in fact be reading books and may be hidding behind the power of being a firemen in order to keep reading books he may have in safety. I lean towards this idea because he recognizes when Montag says, "Once upon a time" and he seems to have a lot of knowledge/backround about books.
@class
ReplyDeleteI think that when Montag first starts to read the books, he will be frustrated and confused becasue he doesn't know how to read the books from beginning to end, like they should be read so that they make sense. This is mentioned on page 68. I think that it will take him a while to become intellectual and figure things out through the books, in the way that Clarisse seemed to think about things in a different, more intellectual perspective. Do you think that reading the books will help Mildred become more intellectual, and then allow she and Montag to bond more deeply? How will the books play a role in shaping how Montag and Mildred become different people throughout the book?
@Ms. Moritz
ReplyDeleteI don't nescessarily think that he uses his status as a fireman to hide his book reading. I get the impression that he is a well bred man of the government and he honestly doesn't care abotu the books. He does seem forgiving though so I think that he might have read a couple books here and there but he knows that it is against his duty.
@Anna Z
ReplyDeleteI beleive that Montag will tell Beatty what he did about taking the books and about reading them, so i think Montag will tell the secret.
@Class
ReplyDeleteDO you believe that Montag telling and showing Mildred all of the books he has was a mistake?
@Anna
ReplyDeleteI think that Mildred Might spill the secret that she read books or maybe Montag will tell Beatty because Beatty seems understanding about it.
@Eli
ReplyDeleteIf beatty was actually at the door, than what would he do? He knew about that book already and he already gave Montage a day. Whats the point of coming back? Did the author do that to create anxiety for the readers? For Montage?
@Lauren A
ReplyDeleteI think the reason Beatty couldn't understand the books was for the same reason. He told Montag that they were useless because he couldn't understand them. Montag will have trouble at the start, but once he is able to comprehend the books, his mind will be opened.
@Jack Smith
ReplyDeleteI think he will go back too, to get more books. He may get caught, but then again he stole the books he already has without getting caught so whose to say he can't do it again? Maybe he will persuade other firemen to read and challenge the rules.
@Eli
ReplyDeleteIf Captain Beatty was the one at the door, I think that the reason he would have come back is because he suspects they may have books. He seemed like he understood people and books in general, so maybe he suspects that maybe he would pull out books afterward.
Kathleen
@Trevor, @Tram, @Jack
ReplyDeleteYes I would agree that Mildred is a probable character to spill the secret, but what about Captain Beatty. Since he already has a file on Clarisse, could Montag find out the truth about Clarisse through Beatty?
I think Captain Beaty can tell Montag has books because he knows the signs. I think Beatty had books once because he was able to quote part of a book. Beatty probably had the same reaction when he went through the same thing. (Anne)
ReplyDeleteDo you think that all people know how to read? Does anyone know how to other than Beatty? If these people are so sheltered, how do you learn to read if you don't have books to help?
ReplyDelete@RACHEL
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that he will challenge the system and like you, I don't have many thoughts on how it will turn out but I think once he gets people to think with him, they will be successful.
@Anna Z
ReplyDeleteI think it will be Clarisse's family to leak the secret. They always talk, and undoubtedly Clarisse shared Montag with them. When she died, they probably left their intellectual views and will conform to society, by turning Montag and Mildred in.
@Angelo
ReplyDeleteI think it could be a mistake if she gets nervous and tells someone that Montag has books, but it could also be a good thing if she reads the books and they encourage her to think more intellectually, allowing she and Montag to bond more?
@Anna
ReplyDeleteThat is a good point, but it seems a bit too obvious. I did think about that but I feel like its too up-front, and is not likely because it is so likely. I hope that makes sense!
If Clarisse really is dead...what was her purpose?? Do you think she has done all she needed to do, or do you think she will eventually return to the story?
ReplyDelete@class
ReplyDeleteHow do you think the war is going to effect the novel? I feel like that has been overlooked. Will it still be as "peaceful"?
@Jack B
ReplyDeleteIt makes sense and I see where you are coming from.
@Angelo
ReplyDeleteI do not think that showing Mildred the books was a mistake because she does not seem like the type of person to turn him in but it might strenghten their relationship. The books might open up a whole new world of ideas that no one had ever thought about before.
@inner circle
ReplyDeleteIt seems that people conform to all regulations in this world. Will Montag try to challenge the system to remove all of the constraints and let people make their own views?
Was Clarise really killed in a car accident? Was it really an "accident?" I feel the government had something to do with it. Like their trying to eliminate the "odd ones".
ReplyDelete@Natalie
ReplyDeleteThey do read words every where, they watch television that has words, they have signs that have words and numbers, i think the format of books is just so weird and different that they aren't used to it.
@MMORITZ
ReplyDeleteI think that Clarisse's role in the story is not completed. However, in the thought of people's roles and purposes, do these people believe in any religion?
@Inner Circle
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if a big rebellion could be started but if you talk to the right people something could be done. Some people probably are totally fine with not being able to read books so they wouldn't want to get involved while others if they start thinking about it they would really want to change how the government controls everyone.
What if the secret war is about the books but noone knows because the government is keeping the war secret?
ReplyDelete@inner circle
ReplyDeleteI don't remember who stated that the Government has lead society to believe that reading book will not make you happy. Based on that fact i believe that if Montag dicedes to start a rebelion not many people will follow because people in his enjoy being happy and would not want to chance loosing that happiness.
@Jack B
ReplyDeleteI think that the war will allow Montag to do something and make a change in the world, because the other citizens will be distracted with things involving it?
@MMortiz
ReplyDeleteIn general, I think that Clarisse has set up the story and set Montag on his path, but I still feel like she come back to help him with it. I have trouble believing that she just died and her family just got up and moved.
Kathleen
@mmoritz
ReplyDeleteI think Clarisse's purpose in the story was to get Montag to start thinking about what he was doing. If Montag never met Clarisse then he probably wouldn't have read the books. I think she will never come back to the story but Montag might think about her and what she would do on his future journey. (Anne)
@tram
ReplyDeleteI think that it was the government who killed Clarisse because she was odd. But very easily it could have been an accident like a drunk driver.
@Tram
ReplyDeleteAlthough the government has a lot of control I don't know if they really could pick out somebody and have them killed. If they are doing that then it has to be a big deal with lots of people involved therefore the public would probably be more aware.
@Ms. Moritz
ReplyDeleteI definatly Clarisse will appear later in the book. For the book, her purpose was to question society and make Montag think. In the book I don't thinkg that she really had a set purpose that she knows of. She physically might not appear but her ideas and thoughts will definatly reoccur.
@CLASS
ReplyDeleteDo you believe that these characters in this era where all texts are burned believe in religion? Because wouldn't all religious texts be destroyed as well?
@Jianna
ReplyDeleteBesides Mildred I believe that Clarisse represents curiosity because she is the only one so far who is curious about everything and questions why things are the way they are.
@Jack S.
ReplyDeleteIt just seems odd that when Beatty told Montag that they had a file on Clarisse and her family, and that she was supposedly killed before the conversation.
@Sam G
ReplyDeleteI agree that the war is possibly about the books but the government is just keeping it a secret. Do you think people will find out and finally rebel?
@Jack B.
ReplyDeleteI think that the war was a descriptive detail in the book rather than a main part. We don't know who is fighting in the war and what they are fighting for so I don't think it's a big deal.
@Tram
ReplyDeleteI also believe that te government may have had something to do with Clarisse's death, if she did really die. As Beatty made clear, people are watching her family and know that they are odd, and Beatty saw that her opinion has already changed Montag's opinion, so maybe they are trying to stop people from making others question how things are.
Kathleen
Mildred is very focused on worldly possessions. She loves her T.V.'s and her show's. Montag is more of an idealistic person, and prefers to think and ponder the problems of the world. Is there a correlation where the two opposites (Montag and Mildred) get married?
ReplyDelete@Jack
ReplyDeleteI don't think he can. I actually believe instead of a peaceful ending with everybody finding their own views and thinking, everything will be like "Harris and Burgeon". The two people who decide to stand up to society end up in a tragedy. I feel this will be Montage's story.
@Annie G
ReplyDeleteWhat if the television does not have words? Do you think that they could have cut all words out of society? With all of this technology, I wonder if they have people talk to people via electronic device.
@Trevor
ReplyDeleteIf there is a religion I think it is one that the government has chosen, there are not as many different ones that we have now.
@Natalie B
ReplyDeleteI think the T.V.'s still have words because the "relatives" are always talking and they can hear them from around the house
Beatty says stuff like go talk to your family but he knows so much. I feel he understands the governments' intentions instead of being scared.
ReplyDelete@Bloggers
ReplyDeleteI think it is possible that the war is about the books, could it possibly be a civil war? Are books banned around there world? Why would other countries care and fight us if we banned books?
@ Mrs.Moritz
ReplyDeleteI think that Clarisse's purpose in the story was to get Montag to question why is the Government having the firemen destroy all books as well as well as question weather or not he is happy with his life.
@trevor
ReplyDeleteI think that religon is outlawed but peolple probably have secret religons and are secretive about it.
@Natalie B.
ReplyDeleteThat would be craazy, but totally possible. Numbers ofcourse are still apart of society, we know this because of the 451 on every firemen's uniform.
@class
ReplyDeleteBased on what we have read so far, why do you think that this book has been banned?
Jack B-
ReplyDeleteI don't think it would be a civil war because then more people would be like Clarisse or Montag.
@class
ReplyDeleteDoes Mildred do anything for a living other than just watch TV all day? Did Montag know that he would have to work as a fireman to support he and Mildred or was Mildred a different person who was not lost in her TV "family" when they were married ten years ago?
It's sad that Mildred and Montag can't have even a simple conversation. When Montag asked about what was happening in her tv show she can't give him an actual response about what is happening. (Anne)
ReplyDelete@Jack B
ReplyDeleteMaybe the country that Montag lives in might have invaded another country or several others on the subject of books; therefore, causing the civil war.
@CLASS
ReplyDeleteDo the people in this era ever leave there homes? Do they have to make a trip to the grocery store and interact there ever?
@class
ReplyDeleteHow/what do these people eat if they never have to leave the house? Is food given to them or do they not eat?
@Trevor
ReplyDeleteI think they could get things transmitted or sent to them. How many rooms do you think that the typical house has? Do you think that they watch TV, eat, sleep, and do their jobs if they have one? Do you think that everyday blends into the next for average people.
@Natalie
ReplyDeleteMaybe because of the violence, like when Clarisse says that her teenage friends have killed each other, or when Mildred says that Clarisse was killed? Or maybe it is scary to think that our world is so much like the one in the book, and it is scary to think about our world being like that?
Mildred doesn't even know that much about her virtual 'family.' When Montag asks about the tv show she was watching she didn't even know if two of the characters were married or not. Mildred didn't care about what was happening in the family she just wanted to be entertained. (Anne)
ReplyDelete@Jack
ReplyDeleteIf it was a civil war then many people would be curious of why they are at war and so far people in the society haven't talked about or even mentioned the war besides Montag hearing and feeling the jets fly above.
@Trevor
ReplyDeleteThe people do leave their homes because Montag has to walk from his home to the fire department and that is where he started talking to Clarisse. I bet the people do make errands to the grocery store and such. They mostly just go through life like they are in a haze it seems and occasionally talk with one another, just small talk though.
Last thoughts--shut down. Wait to put away. :)
ReplyDelete@bloggers
ReplyDeletePlease specify which Jack you are talking to.
When people watch too much TV, their brains kind of turn to mush. I do not think that these people are very bright because they watch TV almost all day and the TVs are so cheap, the inteligence level of these people is really low. I think that is another reason why the government likes controlling these people over the TV.
ReplyDelete@class
ReplyDeleteLast thought is I wonder how Montag will pursue his questions about the books?
Does anyone excersize? Does everyone just sit around there house all day and watch TV, unless they're a fireman? And do they have any other jobs? Does anyone ever have weddings, and when they burn books do they burn pictures and scrapbooks too?
ReplyDeleteKathleen
@Jack S
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. Have you even thought of it? I mean when did they? When did anyone in the story eat and have a decent conversation not including Clarise's family. I think the gov. has something to do with that because if you think about it. When families eat, most of the time, conversations start up.
@Kathleen
ReplyDeleteI think almost everyone has a job. There has to be police and lawyers and important jobs like that. I'm sure Mildred in this situation is a housewife. I also DON'T think that they even take pictures anymore, it's probably just not interesting enough to them to keep the memories of the past.
@Trevor
ReplyDeleteI think people would have to leave their homes to get groceries and things like that. However, they probably just buy things in bulk so that they don't have to go to the store that often.
@Lauren
ReplyDeleteThey probably don't even think about who they are marrying. They marry just because that's what "society" does, even though they don't really care.
@Tram
ReplyDeleteI like your thought on the possibility that the government killed Clarisse, but I think it was probably just kids driving around way too fast and hit her.