@Tram I think that is a good point, he doesn't really feel the urge to kill himself but he did not care if he died. He was tired of living, but he did not necessarily care if he lived on.
@Inner Circle I think Beatty had books also because when he had that dream about himself and Montag, he was quoting a bunch of famous authors and knew the quotes Montag was saying. (Kaela)
Beatty and the dog were killed by the flamethrower. If Montag now had this kind of power to fight the system, why did he not try to take everyone down with his trusty flame thrower?
Class- I was really shocked to hear Faber talking about the Harvard bums along the tracks. Based on the assumption that they are still alive, how long ago do you think that the books were banned? -Paige
@Inner Circle Beaty was done living. He seemed to be provoking Montag to the point of murder, and made sure he got what he wanted. I agree with Taylor that Beaty could have had books. He quoted a lot of public figures and seemed extremely knowledgeable. Maybe Beaty saw the beauty of books and thought, but couldn't break through this societies beliefs and didn't want to live anymore when he was trapped.
@Outer Circle--Do you think Beatty wanted to die? This is a very controversial question that I think it needs to be addressed. I'm unsure about whether or not he really WANTED to die.
@Jack S Well it said that they were going to hit him, just for fun because that's what kids did in the book and they ended up not hitting him because Montag had fallen and if the car hit him then it would have flipped the car so the kids did not hit him.
@class I think that Beatty was a hypocrite. I think he owned books and read them. Beatty had so many different exact quotes that would be impossible to make up. I also don't think that Beatty wanted to die by saying "just do it" when Montag was holding gun to his face. I think that Beatty didn't believe Montag would follow through so he tried to act strong.
@MMORITZ I don't think that Beatty wanted to die. I think he was attempting to get inside of Montag's head but thought that he would not have the audacity to kill him.
@Paige I think the books were banned about 15-30 years in the past, and the government had just started to finally turn the corner to get rid of most books. If it weren't for Montag and Faber, I would predict books would be totally extinct within 20 years.
@Paige My guess is that books have been banned for about 50 years, but books started to lose popularity before that. Faber had taught literature at some point in his life, and he keeps saying 40 years ago.
Jack- I think that there have been new advancements in cars, just like in houses. They probably aren't afraid of hitting him upright, which he talks about, but more afraid of running over him and flipping the car. This is definetely like the series Uglies by Scott Westerfeld, they "pretties," or brainwashed people, don't care about their lives, they take everything for granted.
@Mrs. Moritz I do not think Beatty wanted to die, I do think he wanted things to be different. If they were not going to change he might want to die but if he had the choice to live or die and things were going to change he would have liked to live.
I don't think that Beatty wanted to die because he wanted to put Montag out of his misery and light his house on fire but I don't think anyone wants to die. Who would give up life for anything?
@MMoritz I don't think he wanted to die because he said he was a "Boy of Happiness." I think he was happy with where he was at and did not desire to perish.
@Drew I don't think Beatty actually wanted to die. When he had the gun pointed at him he didn't really believe that Montag would pull the trigger. He was trying to act tough and he also was very condescending. In a way he was testing Montag. It wasn't a very good plan, for him.
@Class What was the final factor that pushed Montag to murdering Beaty? Was it Beaty's taunting or was it the trapped feeling that Montag is trapped in?
Moritz- I don't think that Beatty wanted to die, but he was willing to die for what he believed in. It wasn't a noble way to die but it at least left an impression on a revolutionary.
@Jianna @Drew Beatty seems to be happy, but some people wear a facade of peace while their insides are in chaos. Beatty probably wanted to die, because he was reading books and because of his reading of books his perfect world of burning was shattered. He wasn't strong enough to stop the burning, so he must have decided that the fight was lost. He tried to save Montag from the pain, but he didn't help at all.
@Class Although it did seem that Beatty did not think Montag would pull the trigger, I think he wanted him to. Beatty didn't want the responsibility of what he knew was coming. Although he was temping Montag into something he did not think he would do (shoot him), when he was shot I think he was happy.
I think Beatty was just doing his job, and I agree with Mitch, I think Beatty knew from the beginning, and he just wanted test Montag, and examine his behavior. I think that Beatty assumed that Montag would slowly change, and maybe it was Beatty who programmed the hound to growl at Montag in the beginning, because of his suspicion.
@Moritz I feel he was conflicted, not wanting to go on living yet not wanting to die either. I think that he understood the value of life, but felt it was to much.
@Tram I agree. I think Mildred wanted to be normal and to just be happy, which is through her "Family." She was content to a part of this societies beliefs and didn't want to go looking for another sort of "happy."
@ Eli I think the final factor for pushing Montag to shoot Beatty was the trapped feeling. It was a last resort for Montag to get away so he murdered him.
Class I think Beatty had been hiding books and he wanted to just die instead of having everyone realize how much he lied and disobeyed the laws he enforced. The way Beatty was acting when he was telling Montag about his dream is similar to the way he is talking to Montag before he dies. His point may have been to manipulate Montag so much he will just murder him.
@Class--is this happening today? Do parents treat their children this way? I know women who chose to have c-sections because they didn't want to go through the pain of delivery. I put my kids in day care their entire lives until they went to Kindergarten. How am I different from the women in the book?
@Jayla I believe that is so true. It was a test, but I think it went wrong. When he was shot though, he tried to cover it up and show that everything was okay and that he wanted it that way.
@MMoritz It could have been. But I think he finds pleasure in his job and he is happy when he is out burning books. Or maybe he dislikes his job and desires books to be used again. He might also hate the way that things turned out with the government and all the people. But who knows?
@Eli I think that Montag was pushed to murder Beatty because he finally felt strong enough to stand up for what he thought was right. He was also done with all the condescending remarks that Beatty was throwing at him. Montag felt that he needed to finally show who is in charge.
Rachel- I think Montag didn't completely think the action through. He probably was trying to show them "the light" and shake them out of their perfect, pristine world.
Class- This book was printed way before modern day technology like the iPhone, smartboards, things like that. If this book had be written within the past two years, how do you think it would have been different? Would it be harder to run from the cops, or easier because everything was automated? Also, reports come in everyday about books. How od neighbors know if people have books? Is spying normal or does it have somehting to do with the way houses are made? Maybe a lot of windows or maybe listening devices planted in the home?
@MMoritz I think that Beatty wasn't sure whether or not he wanted to die. He didn't have the courage to kill himself but he didn't try to stop Montag when he killed him. Maybe he was unhappy with the life he was leading, and he didn't know any way to change it. -Kathleen
@Rachel Montag was boiling on the inside as he listened to his wife's friends talk, but with filler words. I think he hit rock bottom and exploded on the inside to the point of revealing the books he had stolen.
@MMORITZ I believe that you are different from the women in the book because when you are home with them, you try to engage with them and not just put them in front of the television. I don't think that what is happening in the book is happening today but I wouldn't really know because all the people around me do not treat their kids like this. I also think that the majority of c-sections are performed to rid themselves of the responsibility.
@MMoritz You are different from the woman in the book in the fact that you actually care for your children and care what they do. The lady in the book did not care what they did. she said that she just tossed them in the parlour and flipped the switch. She almost never sees or interacts with her children. She cares for them, but not in the same way that you care your children.
@ Eli I think Beatty was trying to confuse Montag so that he might admit to having the books, and turn himself in, so that Montag wouldn't have the nasty shock of having to burn his own house. (Kaela)
@Moritz You are different from the book for a few reasons. You care so much about your kids, and are worried if they are 2 minutes late from school. These moms don't care about their children at all. They are also selfish, wanting a C-section even when it is not required, were as now people usually only have C-sections when it is a required part of birthing.
@mmoritz I don't think that Beatty wanted to die because when Montag sets Beatty on fire. Beatty seemed surprised about the fact that Montag would actually do it.
@mmoritz I think that even though people do put their kids in daycare or want to have a c-section, they still really care for their kids. In the book the women treat their children more like pets than kids. People today still talk to their kids and make dinner for them and when the kids are little they play with them.
@Melissa I agree murdering Beatty was what Montag felt was his last resort. On page 121 Montag is thinking to himself and says, "You always said, don't face a problem, burn it. Well, now I've done both . Good-bye, Captain." I think Montag felt the only way to get away from Beatty was to kill him, just as Beatty had enforced burning books.
@MMORITZ You are different because you love your children. Although you drop them off at daycare you still worry about them during the day. These mothers are extremists who don't care about their children much at all. I think all parents can feel when their child is in trouble, and i don't think the mothers in this book can feel that.
@Mrs. Moritz Well the world is trying to accomplish many hings at once so it seems a day care is where most people spend there time dropping there kids off until kindergarten. You are different from the women in the book because you actually care for your children where as these women have kids an don't want to hold on to them anymore and gt rid of them. Even if they get pregnant and don't want the kid, usually, they're off on the street.
@Mrs. Moritz In a certain degree this is happening today. Parents do just turn on the t.v so they don't have to entertain their own children. Also sometimes women have c-sections not just because of the pain but maybe their body physically handle it. In the book they wanted children out of their lives and not with them at all. Today, most parents still talk to their kids and will play with them and see them a lot more than 3 days a year. Parents still have a connection with their kids today while it seemed parents in the book did not.
@Paige In the day and age that this book was written in, I think neighbors were more a part of a persons life. Now you can never really meet your neighbors across the street, but it was almost expected that you area part of your neighbors life in the 50's.
@inner circle They are both in this together, alone and by themselves. They share a cause and because of this they feel like they have known each other forever.
I think Beatty was happy, and I don't think he wanted to die. It seemed as if he was test Montag, provoking him to do it, so he could prove a point, either that Montag doesn't have it in him, and if Montag actually did, then proving that books are bad and corrupt people. But I don't think Beatty counted on Montag killing him.
@Eli I think that is true, he has lost all of his control to burn books and the time came that he just wanted to show them how good they are. I don't think he expected them to act that way though.
@Anne Montag and Faber might trust eachother because they only have one thing that really matters to both of their lives, and both care a great deal about trying to free themselves so they work together for the sake of books. (Kaela)
Moritz- Your kids may hate you at times but they don't go around wanting to kill people with no remorse. That is clearly a parenting issue in the book. Kindergarten is different, if you sent your kids to boarding school I would say that you were very similar to those parents but you still love your kids. Boarding school may be fine for students if they go for a year or two, just for the experience, but to spend all their schooling years there just seperates them from their family and that is what the ladies in the book do.
I think that Faber and Montag seemed to understand each other so much because they were actually talking to each other. Although Faber had done that before, when he was younger, it's been a long time for him and it was Montag's first time to really connect and talk with someone like he did with Faber, besides his talks with Clarisse. Kathleen
@class On page 127, Montag is running away from the beetles that are being driven by the teenagers. Is it a type of sport to run people over? Why are teenagers running people over?
@Jayla He did not count on Montag killing him, but as I said earlier I think he did want to die. Obviously Beatty was testing him, and telling Montag to do it, but Beatty felt that it was a wish that would never come true. But, it did.
@Mrs. Moritz During the book women look at having kids just to help the human race go on. They don't picture it as enriching their lives in anyway, it is more of something they have to do (If they choose to have kids).
@inner circle The husbands want their wives to live happily and move on in life if they die. That's why they would tell them to get married again. we were talking about this in US History and today, men will donate their sperm and they will freeze it if they go to the war so they can still have kids if they die.
@CLASS Relating to the idea of the women that the best looking man should win the presidential election, not knowing a ton about politics, are your opinions of a candidate formed from their appearance?
@mmoritz I think that the difference between you and the women inside of the novel boils down to responsibility. A parent's responsibility to care and provide for the family, and the mothers inside of the book may provide for their children, but they don't love them. When the children come home from school the women talk about how much of a chore children are and how they would rather the children be at school 100% of the time.
@Class If people don't generally spend any time with their husbands/wives, then why do they bother to always get married again after their last spouse leaves? Kathleen
@Eli They are doing it for fun. Like people who go out and spray paint houses or break car windows, it the adrenaline of doing an act that breaks the rules and hoping you are sly enough to not get caught.
@Eli I think it's a just game that teens play. It is something like road races where teens drive really fast and race their friends, they have just added a new twist to it.
Eli- I think it was more of a way of life than a sport. People did it for fun but it doesn't really need any coordination, it's not planned due to the lack of pedestrians, and teenagers probably see it as drugs and alcohol, it's intriguin to run someone over. I guess the police just didn't choose to arrest them after a while and it became the latest craze.
@Class On page 105, Beaty starts quoting a lot of men from the past. How can he know these quotes without books? Is it the fire captains job to research the books content to confuse their firemen?
@Gaby It's true, they probably don't care about their wives as much as people would today so it's all about reproducing and not having a kid to raise together.
@class Is it sad that the society they live in really has no purpose? Mrs Phelps sad her and her husband were already married three times before. Then when her husband is at war she doesn't care if he dies. He said he wanted her not to cry or have feelings, just move on a get married again. She also says that she never wants to have children. Then Mrs. Bowles said she had two children but by caesarian because "why go through all that agony for a baby?" This society has no love. Not for children or significant others. Does anyone even know what love really means?
@Kathleen I believe they get married again because they want to be like the rest of the society and not be alone even if they don't talk to their spouse at all.
@ELI @JACK S I agree with Jack that they are just doing it for adrenaline and for fun. I think that they take these risks because they don't have a lot to live for, like what Montag said about taking risks.
Great question Trevor--I think a lot of people choose to elect politicians who may not have the qualifications, but are easier to look at then their competition. Does that make sense?
@Kathleen They probably get married because that's what everyone does. This is a place of sames, everyone does things the same. Also, they might need people to get money to buy more shells. They can't make money if they watch T.V. all the time.
@Trevor I think that appearence is certainly a role in picking who you vote for. It may not sway your decision but it might influence you a little. Here's an example: Would you like a man that was clean cut and looked friendly and intelligent to be your president or would you like a person who hadn't shaved and looked like he lived out on the streets to lead your country?
@Paige I don't think thaht boarding school children are necessarily always sent away because their parents do not care for them. Sometimes it is to get a better education or more discipline or maybe the kid just wants to do that. However most kids still have a connection with their families and write or call their families often. Also, most schools let kids go home and visit their families in the summer or on holidays.
Kathleen- Being married is probably something society just expected. It was deep in their roots to want to be married. Marriage is important but what isn't important is who they are married to.
@ Trevor Yes, I think part of our decision is based on appearance but the appearance of how they dress, how they act in public. We don't want someone who wear stained t-shirts and ripped shorts to a press meeting. We want somebody who has a nice suite and can present themselves well. So today the appearances aren't based on how tall they are or hair color or shape of their nose, etc.
@Kathleen People get married in this society because it's what everyone does. There is less "want" to get married, and more what you do when you get older. Marriage does seem to lose value in this book. Spouses are married to each other because it is what everyone does.
@Anna i think it's arranged by networks or online, or maybe that's why everyone's relationships in the book are poor because the only time they do go outside and meet someone, they get married right away.
@Anna I think there is some system of matching people with each other that the government controls. It could also be the couple's parents but considering the fact that most parents have no connection with their children I do not think that they would care enough to arrange a marriage for their kid. It could be completely random choices for couples, like a military draft too.
@mmoritz I agree with your comment to Trevor. I think that when people pick their politicians they might decide how to explain why they like them by putting down the competitors. It is easier to put someone down and find flaws than to find the good in things.
@ Mrs.Moritz The difference between you and those woman in the books, are they seem to lack that motherly connection and then one of them mention that they have to see them 3 days a month...they made it sound like a hassle, and that all they did was stick them in the Parlor. These woman don't care about there families, or husbands, just themselves. But you see your kids, talk to them, talk about them. You have that motherly connection even if you do send them to school, and preschool.
@Class So if everyone gets married because that is what the rest of society does, then would people like Faber or the lady that was burned in the fire that didn't have wives and husbands be outcasts?
Also, What are caesarians, the children Millie's friends were talking about?
Trevor- I don't know if you've ever seen the Adjustment Bureau but in the beginning this guy gives a speech and is like "We payed some $7,500 to tell us that this is the right amount of scuffing on my shoe. A focus group liked this motto the most, it's total bogus." I think people definetely look for someone that looks well-groomed but that isn't the only thing we look at today but they look at that in the book.
@Inner Circle I think Montag had a side thought right after he ran from his burned home. He wondered what to do next and planted the books because he didn't know what else to do. He had the books with him and decided to plant the books and call them in because he had nothing to lose.
@Bloggers We sometimes say that books will still always be read, but when you get home after school do you usually go read, or sit down on the couch and watch TV? Will TV eventually take over?
@Trevor In that kind of situation, you would have to go for the good looking one. However, it could always be like the two barbershops in town. If you want to get a good haircut, go to the barber with the bad haircut rather than the one with the good one, because they did each others hair, but this is not necessarily pertaining to candidates...
On page 130, Montag hides a book in a fireman's house and then calls them in. Who is the fireman? Is it someone he worked with? And what is he trying to do by hiding the book inside the house?
@Inner Circle I think Faber would try everything he possibly could to continue the plan about the books, but he would do it very cautiously and not stick his neck out as far as Montag did. (Kaela)
@Kathleen Yes, but because they are different from everyone else because of their books. They probably aren't married because they don't want to live and love someone they can't understand or relate to because of their books.
@Rachel It wasn't described whether or not Montag and Mildred wore rings since they were married. Do you think that if couples in the story don't wear rings that they might be why they are described more as roommates rather than a couple?
@Paige That was a good connection because it so true that today people should be looking at more than just looks and well grooming but in the book it seems as though if you have a flaw with your appearance, it make you an outcast. P.S. I love that movie
@Kathleen I think majority of the younger people in the society are married because they think it is what you have to do. People like the lady and Faber are older most likely knew what life was like before. They may not want to get married.
@MELISSA I think that because he knew their names, he did work with the firemen that he set up. I think he had intentions of bringing down the firemen system.
@Melissa He is framing the fireman so they burn his house and then take him to the insane asylum. He clearly hopes that he will be able to kill off the firemen.
@mmoritz I think that the appearance of a politician greatly affects people's votes. For example if a politician wears dirty clothes and doesn't keep up his appearance by shaving or showering than people would think less of him and not want to vote for him as much. However if a candidate is nicely dressed and looks nice then people tend to assume that he is responsible or a better person than the less nice looking candidate. We do still look at what the politicians care about in regards to politics but appearance is a factor in determining people's votes as well
@Collen I agree with you, I don't think the parents have much to do with who their kids married or matched up with, but a bigger program and system designed to do that for them. That's maybe why Mildred and Montag don't remember meeting, they were just matched together.
@ Kathleen A caesarian is a type of birth. Instead of having a natural birth, they cut your stomach so the baby can come out that way. Sometimes when babies are "standing up" rather than "upside down" C-sections must be preformed to save the life of the mother or for other medical reasons.
@Jack In all honesty, I go home and kick my shoes off and sit on my couch and watch my favorite shows. Reading is not my first priority. I think that T.V and technology, although it has already become a huge part in our lives, will begin do dominated everyone's lives. Books will be obsolete.
@Jack B I'm not so sure if t.v will take over but I believe technology will. People like to read, we read the paper, books, magazines. It's just whether it's on a kindle, online, or actually printed on paper.
@Melissa I was wondering who the fireman was too. I think Montag put the books there to continue the plan he and Faber started to think of by getting the fireman in trouble.
@Drew--Books will never be obsolete. People had the same thought when the television was invented. Publishing books skyrocketed after the creation of television. BOOKS WILL NOT DIE!!!
@Inner Circle The TV shows would probably be made to entertain them. They don't have to make sense, but they are made to make people laugh somehow. I don't think we can understand them because are society still has books and thought.
@outer circle Why did Montag insist on reading the poem to Milly's friends? Why would he show them that he had a book? Then why did Mrs. Phelps start to cry over it if she didn't know why it made her sad in the first place.
@Maura I disagree. At the rate at which technology is moving, there will be very few books in our future. We will want to read on our kindles, ipads, etc. Not on paper. One reason I think books will begin to get used less and less is that we are so lazy, people don't like to turn the page manually. They want to be able to turn the page with a touch of a button ;)
@mmoritz I don't think that books will necessarily die but that eventually with the kindle and nook and other ereaders that can hold hundreds of books at a time that book sales will eventually decrease but never die completely.
@Mellisa I was confused as to who the fireman was as well. I think Montag or Faber planted books there to keep going with the plan that he and Faber thought of by getting the fireman in trouble.
@Inner Circle I think Ray Bradbury left out a lot of detail in that part because as it's happening, the lack of detail allows the reader to imagine how horrible it would be for Montag and the reader kind of fills in the blanks by themselves. (Kaela)
@Eli That's like most shows today, some are funny, dramatic, romantic, or violent but a lot are just nonsense and they still get views. Why is that? Do we seriously not have anything else to do with our lives?
When Mildred is walking past Montag after she calls him in, what does her reaction say about her character. What is Beatty saying about women and how easily women are manipulated?
@Moritz That is what people said about the invention of swords in the ancient days, what they said about the inventions of guns later to. Now swords and clubs are obsolete to guns and missiles. However, the difference in this situation was that these things were given lots and lots of time. Over a century, where as books have only had T.V. and the internet as competitors for a few years.
Melissa- Montags originial plan was to plant the books in firemens houses. The firemen was just the first guy on his list, nothing more but I think that he is Montag's unit.
@Jack B Personally, I would choose to read rather than watch TV any day. And I'd rather read a paper book than online, reading online or on a kindle just isn't the same. I've watched about 2 movies since school started and I never watch TV anymore. I know a lot of other people like that and I believe that at this point they will keep life from becoming like it does in "Fahrenheit 451", although that could change quickly enough.
@Jianna I think that Montag was so enraged by their conversation that he couldn't help himself but show them the book. He wanted to show them and have the same effect on them that Clarisse had on him. I really don't know why Mrs. Phelps started to weep.
@Eli I agree, their society is so different from ours today it is hard to imagine what T.V. shows they would think are funny. Today people get married because they love eachother, not because they have to. We also describe a social person as someone who talks to people, not someone who sits alone and doesn't talk. I think part of the reason is because we have books and the other is that we think differently than the characters in the book.
@Inner Circle Mildred didn't believe books had value. She didn't have the fire that Montag had and decided putting up with him is not worth it. This society seems to be saying it's easy to start over, find a new home. She can easily find another person to be "roommates" with.
@ Drew Unfortunately I agree with you. I do believe that one day books will become extinct. It's sad that we are lazy and would rather carry a whole library on an Ipad rather on a bookshelf in your house. I think that most books will be useless to people in the future, but they will never be banned.
@Melissa It seems like society is becoming dependent of technology, not of just T.V but of technology in general. Because you can basically access any book, paper, shop,T.V show, do anything with the touch of a finger. And people care about the environment and cutting down trees and all that, so maybe instead of paper books people will want more kindles, ipad, and other gadgets to read on instead. Just a prediction.
@Outer Circle Since some of us agree with Drew and think that books will become distinct, what will happen at school with our textbooks? Will we get rid of them too?
@Drew I don't think books will ever becomes outlawed like in this book and I'm sure they will be some books passed down that people will keep, they just won't read them. People may stop reading actual paper books but they will still exist.
@Class If books will become extinct in do time will the t.v, the ipad, the ipod etc. become extinct? Because since were are inventing new technology almost everyday or improving it we may just keep on inventing to create the latest and greatest thing when all you have to do is to wait a couple more months to get a better model.
@Trevor I think so, we already have smart boards, and laptops, and we can access text books online too. They will be gone by the time we reach our twenty's in my opinion.
@Drew Books will become extinct but never banned. We won't need to ban them because no one will want them. But our world is too smart for the government to hide anything from us.
@trevor Well some textbooks are already online or in a dvd/cd form so I think that eventually we will digitize all textbooks or possibly give students some kind of kindle-type thing with all their textbooks on it.
@Trevor We are already starting online textbooks and using videos and presentations instead of reading the books. The removal has already started, slowly but surely, unfortunately.
@Gabriella I agree. I don't think books will ever totally disappear. They might have some ups and downs in popularity, but in our society now, books are are not only allowed but encouraged to read because we know they hold knowledge worth knowing.
Trevor I think that the school books will become electronic. Besides our textbooks are practically on google. You can internet search anything; it's as simple as pushing buttons.
@Anna Assuming that books become extinct, which I hope never happens, I believe that in due time our current technology may go down the same road, but it took a very long time for us to get here, and it will probably take longer before we get to that point...
@ Trevor Well schools may need to slowly adapt, probably not right away if there is still a resection going on, but in the future they will probably require you have something that can download the books and required text.
I don’t think that Beatty wanted to die. I think he was testing Montag. He didn’t believe that Montag was man enough to kill him. It seemed like he kind of wanted to die but in reality I think he was just sick and wanted to see Montag’s reaction. Although he probably didn’t care if he died because he had nothing to lose but I don’t think that he necessarily WANTED to die. Mrs. Moritz you are different from these mothers b because they are dropping their kids off so they can have fun, you do it because you have to work in able to support them. You also actually care for them and like to talk to your children, not just stick them in front of the TV. You want them to have a good life and take the time to interact with them whereas the mothers in the book are just looking to further the human race and don’t enjoy their children. I don’t believe that books will ever die. Some books, such as the Bible, people will always want the security of having an actual copy not just a downloaded version. Plus software can be deleted and computers can run out of charge but books won’t do either of those things, they can’t be lost.
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ReplyDeleteI think that is a good point, he doesn't really feel the urge to kill himself but he did not care if he died. He was tired of living, but he did not necessarily care if he lived on.
Why did the kids want to run him down with their car? Wouldn't they just damage their car and possibly kill themselves?
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ReplyDeleteI think Beatty had books also because when he had that dream about himself and Montag, he was quoting a bunch of famous authors and knew the quotes Montag was saying. (Kaela)
Beatty and the dog were killed by the flamethrower. If Montag now had this kind of power to fight the system, why did he not try to take everyone down with his trusty flame thrower?
ReplyDeleteClass-
ReplyDeleteI was really shocked to hear Faber talking about the Harvard bums along the tracks. Based on the assumption that they are still alive, how long ago do you think that the books were banned?
-Paige
@Inner Circle
ReplyDeleteBeaty was done living. He seemed to be provoking Montag to the point of murder, and made sure he got what he wanted. I agree with Taylor that Beaty could have had books. He quoted a lot of public figures and seemed extremely knowledgeable. Maybe Beaty saw the beauty of books and thought, but couldn't break through this societies beliefs and didn't want to live anymore when he was trapped.
@Outer Circle--Do you think Beatty wanted to die? This is a very controversial question that I think it needs to be addressed. I'm unsure about whether or not he really WANTED to die.
ReplyDelete@Jack S
ReplyDeleteWell it said that they were going to hit him, just for fun because that's what kids did in the book and they ended up not hitting him because Montag had fallen and if the car hit him then it would have flipped the car so the kids did not hit him.
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ReplyDelete@class
ReplyDeleteI think that Beatty was a hypocrite. I think he owned books and read them. Beatty had so many different exact quotes that would be impossible to make up. I also don't think that Beatty wanted to die by saying "just do it" when Montag was holding gun to his face. I think that Beatty didn't believe Montag would follow through so he tried to act strong.
@paige
ReplyDeleteThey can't have censored everything to long ago, I am guessing 20-30 years.
@Paige
ReplyDeleteI think at one point Faber mentioned that it had been 40 years since the books had been banned.
@MMORITZ
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Beatty wanted to die. I think he was attempting to get inside of Montag's head but thought that he would not have the audacity to kill him.
@Paige
ReplyDeleteI think the books were banned about 15-30 years in the past, and the government had just started to finally turn the corner to get rid of most books. If it weren't for Montag and Faber, I would predict books would be totally extinct within 20 years.
@Paige
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that books have been banned for about 50 years, but books started to lose popularity before that. Faber had taught literature at some point in his life, and he keeps saying 40 years ago.
Jack-
ReplyDeleteI think that there have been new advancements in cars, just like in houses. They probably aren't afraid of hitting him upright, which he talks about, but more afraid of running over him and flipping the car. This is definetely like the series Uglies by Scott Westerfeld, they "pretties," or brainwashed people, don't care about their lives, they take everything for granted.
@Mrs. Moritz
ReplyDeleteI do not think Beatty wanted to die, I do think he wanted things to be different. If they were not going to change he might want to die but if he had the choice to live or die and things were going to change he would have liked to live.
I don't think that Beatty wanted to die because he wanted to put Montag out of his misery and light his house on fire but I don't think anyone wants to die. Who would give up life for anything?
ReplyDelete@MMoritz
ReplyDeleteI don't think he wanted to die because he said he was a "Boy of Happiness." I think he was happy with where he was at and did not desire to perish.
@Drew
ReplyDeleteI don't think Beatty actually wanted to die. When he had the gun pointed at him he didn't really believe that Montag would pull the trigger. He was trying to act tough and he also was very condescending. In a way he was testing Montag. It wasn't a very good plan, for him.
@Paige
ReplyDeleteI think that books are Faber's age minus 30 some years old because they were banned when he was teaching.
@Class
ReplyDeleteWhat was the final factor that pushed Montag to murdering Beaty? Was it Beaty's taunting or was it the trapped feeling that Montag is trapped in?
Moritz-
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Beatty wanted to die, but he was willing to die for what he believed in. It wasn't a noble way to die but it at least left an impression on a revolutionary.
@Jianna @Drew
ReplyDeleteBeatty seems to be happy, but some people wear a facade of peace while their insides are in chaos. Beatty probably wanted to die, because he was reading books and because of his reading of books his perfect world of burning was shattered. He wasn't strong enough to stop the burning, so he must have decided that the fight was lost. He tried to save Montag from the pain, but he didn't help at all.
Why do you think that Montag was trying to accomplish when he read the poetry to Mildred's friends?
ReplyDelete@Drew- Was the "Happiness Boys" just a cover?
ReplyDelete@Class
ReplyDeleteAlthough it did seem that Beatty did not think Montag would pull the trigger, I think he wanted him to. Beatty didn't want the responsibility of what he knew was coming. Although he was temping Montag into something he did not think he would do (shoot him), when he was shot I think he was happy.
I think Beatty was just doing his job, and I agree with Mitch, I think Beatty knew from the beginning, and he just wanted test Montag, and examine his behavior. I think that Beatty assumed that Montag would slowly change, and maybe it was Beatty who programmed the hound to growl at Montag in the beginning, because of his suspicion.
ReplyDelete@Moritz
ReplyDeleteI feel he was conflicted, not wanting to go on living yet not wanting to die either. I think that he understood the value of life, but felt it was to much.
@Tram
ReplyDeleteI agree. I think Mildred wanted to be normal and to just be happy, which is through her "Family." She was content to a part of this societies beliefs and didn't want to go looking for another sort of "happy."
@ Eli
ReplyDeleteI think the final factor for pushing Montag to shoot Beatty was the trapped feeling. It was a last resort for Montag to get away so he murdered him.
Class
ReplyDeleteI think Beatty had been hiding books and he wanted to just die instead of having everyone realize how much he lied and disobeyed the laws he enforced. The way Beatty was acting when he was telling Montag about his dream is similar to the way he is talking to Montag before he dies. His point may have been to manipulate Montag so much he will just murder him.
@Class--is this happening today? Do parents treat their children this way? I know women who chose to have c-sections because they didn't want to go through the pain of delivery. I put my kids in day care their entire lives until they went to Kindergarten. How am I different from the women in the book?
ReplyDelete@Jayla
ReplyDeleteI believe that is so true. It was a test, but I think it went wrong. When he was shot though, he tried to cover it up and show that everything was okay and that he wanted it that way.
@MMoritz
ReplyDeleteIt could have been. But I think he finds pleasure in his job and he is happy when he is out burning books. Or maybe he dislikes his job and desires books to be used again. He might also hate the way that things turned out with the government and all the people. But who knows?
@Class
ReplyDeleteWhy was Beaty trying to confuse Montag before he took him to his house to burn the books?
@Eli
ReplyDeleteI think that Montag was pushed to murder Beatty because he finally felt strong enough to stand up for what he thought was right. He was also done with all the condescending remarks that Beatty was throwing at him. Montag felt that he needed to finally show who is in charge.
Rachel-
ReplyDeleteI think Montag didn't completely think the action through. He probably was trying to show them "the light" and shake them out of their perfect, pristine world.
Class-
This book was printed way before modern day technology like the iPhone, smartboards, things like that. If this book had be written within the past two years, how do you think it would have been different? Would it be harder to run from the cops, or easier because everything was automated?
Also, reports come in everyday about books. How od neighbors know if people have books? Is spying normal or does it have somehting to do with the way houses are made? Maybe a lot of windows or maybe listening devices planted in the home?
@MMoritz
ReplyDeleteI think that Beatty wasn't sure whether or not he wanted to die. He didn't have the courage to kill himself but he didn't try to stop Montag when he killed him. Maybe he was unhappy with the life he was leading, and he didn't know any way to change it.
-Kathleen
@Rachel
ReplyDeleteMontag was boiling on the inside as he listened to his wife's friends talk, but with filler words. I think he hit rock bottom and exploded on the inside to the point of revealing the books he had stolen.
@MMORITZ
ReplyDeleteI believe that you are different from the women in the book because when you are home with them, you try to engage with them and not just put them in front of the television. I don't think that what is happening in the book is happening today but I wouldn't really know because all the people around me do not treat their kids like this. I also think that the majority of c-sections are performed to rid themselves of the responsibility.
@MMoritz
ReplyDeleteYou are different from the woman in the book in the fact that you actually care for your children and care what they do. The lady in the book did not care what they did. she said that she just tossed them in the parlour and flipped the switch. She almost never sees or interacts with her children. She cares for them, but not in the same way that you care your children.
@ Eli
ReplyDeleteI think Beatty was trying to confuse Montag so that he might admit to having the books, and turn himself in, so that Montag wouldn't have the nasty shock of having to burn his own house.
(Kaela)
@Moritz
ReplyDeleteYou are different from the book for a few reasons. You care so much about your kids, and are worried if they are 2 minutes late from school. These moms don't care about their children at all. They are also selfish, wanting a C-section even when it is not required, were as now people usually only have C-sections when it is a required part of birthing.
@mmoritz
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Beatty wanted to die because when Montag sets Beatty on fire. Beatty seemed surprised about the fact that Montag would actually do it.
@mmoritz
ReplyDeleteI think that even though people do put their kids in daycare or want to have a c-section, they still really care for their kids. In the book the women treat their children more like pets than kids. People today still talk to their kids and make dinner for them and when the kids are little they play with them.
@Eli
ReplyDeleteI think that Beatty wanted to prove a point and have Montag burn his possessions himself.
@Melissa
ReplyDeleteI agree murdering Beatty was what Montag felt was his last resort. On page 121 Montag is thinking to himself and says, "You always said, don't face a problem, burn it. Well, now I've done both . Good-bye, Captain." I think Montag felt the only way to get away from Beatty was to kill him, just as Beatty had enforced burning books.
@MMORITZ
ReplyDeleteYou are different because you love your children. Although you drop them off at daycare you still worry about them during the day. These mothers are extremists who don't care about their children much at all. I think all parents can feel when their child is in trouble, and i don't think the mothers in this book can feel that.
@Mrs. Moritz
ReplyDeleteWell the world is trying to accomplish many hings at once so it seems a day care is where most people spend there time dropping there kids off until kindergarten. You are different from the women in the book because you actually care for your children where as these women have kids an don't want to hold on to them anymore and gt rid of them. Even if they get pregnant and don't want the kid, usually, they're off on the street.
@Mrs. Moritz
ReplyDeleteIn a certain degree this is happening today. Parents do just turn on the t.v so they don't have to entertain their own children. Also sometimes women have c-sections not just because of the pain but maybe their body physically handle it. In the book they wanted children out of their lives and not with them at all. Today, most parents still talk to their kids and will play with them and see them a lot more than 3 days a year. Parents still have a connection with their kids today while it seemed parents in the book did not.
@Paige
ReplyDeleteIn the day and age that this book was written in, I think neighbors were more a part of a persons life. Now you can never really meet your neighbors across the street, but it was almost expected that you area part of your neighbors life in the 50's.
@inner circle
ReplyDeleteThey are both in this together, alone and by themselves. They share a cause and because of this they feel like they have known each other forever.
I think Beatty was happy, and I don't think he wanted to die. It seemed as if he was test Montag, provoking him to do it, so he could prove a point, either that Montag doesn't have it in him, and if Montag actually did, then proving that books are bad and corrupt people. But I don't think Beatty counted on Montag killing him.
ReplyDelete@Eli
ReplyDeleteI think that is true, he has lost all of his control to burn books and the time came that he just wanted to show them how good they are. I don't think he expected them to act that way though.
@Anne
ReplyDeleteMontag and Faber might trust eachother because they only have one thing that really matters to both of their lives, and both care a great deal about trying to free themselves so they work together for the sake of books.
(Kaela)
Moritz-
ReplyDeleteYour kids may hate you at times but they don't go around wanting to kill people with no remorse. That is clearly a parenting issue in the book. Kindergarten is different, if you sent your kids to boarding school I would say that you were very similar to those parents but you still love your kids. Boarding school may be fine for students if they go for a year or two, just for the experience, but to spend all their schooling years there just seperates them from their family and that is what the ladies in the book do.
I think that Faber and Montag seemed to understand each other so much because they were actually talking to each other. Although Faber had done that before, when he was younger, it's been a long time for him and it was Montag's first time to really connect and talk with someone like he did with Faber, besides his talks with Clarisse.
ReplyDeleteKathleen
@class
ReplyDeleteOn page 127, Montag is running away from the beetles that are being driven by the teenagers. Is it a type of sport to run people over? Why are teenagers running people over?
@Jayla
ReplyDeleteHe did not count on Montag killing him, but as I said earlier I think he did want to die. Obviously Beatty was testing him, and telling Montag to do it, but Beatty felt that it was a wish that would never come true. But, it did.
I agree with Tram, I think Montag and Faber just shared same ideas, and a strong bond knowing they are not alone, so feel like one in same person.
ReplyDelete@Mrs. Moritz
ReplyDeleteDuring the book women look at having kids just to help the human race go on. They don't picture it as enriching their lives in anyway, it is more of something they have to do (If they choose to have kids).
@inner circle
ReplyDeleteThe husbands want their wives to live happily and move on in life if they die. That's why they would tell them to get married again. we were talking about this in US History and today, men will donate their sperm and they will freeze it if they go to the war so they can still have kids if they die.
@CLASS
ReplyDeleteRelating to the idea of the women that the best looking man should win the presidential election, not knowing a ton about politics, are your opinions of a candidate formed from their appearance?
@mmoritz
ReplyDeleteI think that the difference between you and the women inside of the novel boils down to responsibility. A parent's responsibility to care and provide for the family, and the mothers inside of the book may provide for their children, but they don't love them. When the children come home from school the women talk about how much of a chore children are and how they would rather the children be at school 100% of the time.
@Eli
ReplyDeleteI think it is their type of entertainment. Maybe they do not like the T.V's. Or maybe they just find pleasure in running people over.
@Class
ReplyDeleteIf people don't generally spend any time with their husbands/wives, then why do they bother to always get married again after their last spouse leaves?
Kathleen
@Eli
ReplyDeleteThey are doing it for fun. Like people who go out and spray paint houses or break car windows, it the adrenaline of doing an act that breaks the rules and hoping you are sly enough to not get caught.
@Eli
ReplyDeleteI think it's a just game that teens play. It is something like road races where teens drive really fast and race their friends, they have just added a new twist to it.
Eli-
ReplyDeleteI think it was more of a way of life than a sport. People did it for fun but it doesn't really need any coordination, it's not planned due to the lack of pedestrians, and teenagers probably see it as drugs and alcohol, it's intriguin to run someone over. I guess the police just didn't choose to arrest them after a while and it became the latest craze.
@Class
ReplyDeleteOn page 105, Beaty starts quoting a lot of men from the past. How can he know these quotes without books? Is it the fire captains job to research the books content to confuse their firemen?
@Gaby
ReplyDeleteIt's true, they probably don't care about their wives as much as people would today so it's all about reproducing and not having a kid to raise together.
@class
ReplyDeleteIs it sad that the society they live in really has no purpose? Mrs Phelps sad her and her husband were already married three times before. Then when her husband is at war she doesn't care if he dies. He said he wanted her not to cry or have feelings, just move on a get married again. She also says that she never wants to have children. Then Mrs. Bowles said she had two children but by caesarian because "why go through all that agony for a baby?" This society has no love. Not for children or significant others. Does anyone even know what love really means?
@Kathleen
ReplyDeleteI believe they get married again because they want to be like the rest of the society and not be alone even if they don't talk to their spouse at all.
@Bloggers
ReplyDeleteDo you guys think Beatty has a family? do you think he has a life outside of the fire station?
@ELI @JACK S
ReplyDeleteI agree with Jack that they are just doing it for adrenaline and for fun. I think that they take these risks because they don't have a lot to live for, like what Montag said about taking risks.
Great question Trevor--I think a lot of people choose to elect politicians who may not have the qualifications, but are easier to look at then their competition. Does that make sense?
ReplyDelete@Kathleen
ReplyDeleteThey probably get married because that's what everyone does. This is a place of sames, everyone does things the same. Also, they might need people to get money to buy more shells. They can't make money if they watch T.V. all the time.
@Trevor
ReplyDeleteI think that appearence is certainly a role in picking who you vote for. It may not sway your decision but it might influence you a little. Here's an example: Would you like a man that was clean cut and looked friendly and intelligent to be your president or would you like a person who hadn't shaved and looked like he lived out on the streets to lead your country?
@Class
ReplyDeleteGoing off of Kathleen's questions, how would people choose who to get married too if they never go outside?
@Paige
ReplyDeleteI don't think thaht boarding school children are necessarily always sent away because their parents do not care for them. Sometimes it is to get a better education or more discipline or maybe the kid just wants to do that. However most kids still have a connection with their families and write or call their families often. Also, most schools let kids go home and visit their families in the summer or on holidays.
Kathleen-
ReplyDeleteBeing married is probably something society just expected. It was deep in their roots to want to be married. Marriage is important but what isn't important is who they are married to.
@ Trevor
ReplyDeleteYes, I think part of our decision is based on appearance but the appearance of how they dress, how they act in public. We don't want someone who wear stained t-shirts and ripped shorts to a press meeting. We want somebody who has a nice suite and can present themselves well. So today the appearances aren't based on how tall they are or hair color or shape of their nose, etc.
@Anna Z.
ReplyDeleteI think this kind of goes back to the arranged marriage idea. They may somehow know who is single and just pick someone to be with.
@Kathleen
ReplyDeletePeople get married in this society because it's what everyone does. There is less "want" to get married, and more what you do when you get older. Marriage does seem to lose value in this book. Spouses are married to each other because it is what everyone does.
@Anna
ReplyDeletei think it's arranged by networks or online, or maybe that's why everyone's relationships in the book are poor because the only time they do go outside and meet someone, they get married right away.
@Anna
ReplyDeleteMaybe they sign up on their T.V.'s for a "dating service" and then they go out for a virtual wedding through the T.V. and meet up.
@Anna
ReplyDeleteI think there is some system of matching people with each other that the government controls. It could also be the couple's parents but considering the fact that most parents have no connection with their children I do not think that they would care enough to arrange a marriage for their kid. It could be completely random choices for couples, like a military draft too.
@mmoritz
ReplyDeleteI agree with your comment to Trevor. I think that when people pick their politicians they might decide how to explain why they like them by putting down the competitors. It is easier to put someone down and find flaws than to find the good in things.
@ Mrs.Moritz
ReplyDeleteThe difference between you and those woman in the books, are they seem to lack that motherly connection and then one of them mention that they have to see them 3 days a month...they made it sound like a hassle, and that all they did was stick them in the Parlor. These woman don't care about there families, or husbands, just themselves. But you see your kids, talk to them, talk about them. You have that motherly connection even if you do send them to school, and preschool.
@Jack
ReplyDeleteWe already have advancements for online dating and matching up results and hobbies. It is factual that a dating service set them up.
@Class
ReplyDeleteSo if everyone gets married because that is what the rest of society does, then would people like Faber or the lady that was burned in the fire that didn't have wives and husbands be outcasts?
Also, What are caesarians, the children Millie's friends were talking about?
Kathleen
Trevor-
ReplyDeleteI don't know if you've ever seen the Adjustment Bureau but in the beginning this guy gives a speech and is like "We payed some $7,500 to tell us that this is the right amount of scuffing on my shoe. A focus group liked this motto the most, it's total bogus." I think people definetely look for someone that looks well-groomed but that isn't the only thing we look at today but they look at that in the book.
@Inner Circle
ReplyDeleteI think Montag had a side thought right after he ran from his burned home. He wondered what to do next and planted the books because he didn't know what else to do. He had the books with him and decided to plant the books and call them in because he had nothing to lose.
@Bloggers
ReplyDeleteWe sometimes say that books will still always be read, but when you get home after school do you usually go read, or sit down on the couch and watch TV? Will TV eventually take over?
@Trevor
ReplyDeleteIn that kind of situation, you would have to go for the good looking one. However, it could always be like the two barbershops in town. If you want to get a good haircut, go to the barber with the bad haircut rather than the one with the good one, because they did each others hair, but this is not necessarily pertaining to candidates...
On page 130, Montag hides a book in a fireman's house and then calls them in. Who is the fireman? Is it someone he worked with? And what is he trying to do by hiding the book inside the house?
ReplyDelete@Kathleen--A c-section is a surgical procedure to remove a baby from the mother.
ReplyDelete@Inner Circle
ReplyDeleteI think Faber would try everything he possibly could to continue the plan about the books, but he would do it very cautiously and not stick his neck out as far as Montag did.
(Kaela)
@Kathleen
ReplyDeleteYes, but because they are different from everyone else because of their books. They probably aren't married because they don't want to live and love someone they can't understand or relate to because of their books.
@Rachel
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't described whether or not Montag and Mildred wore rings since they were married. Do you think that if couples in the story don't wear rings that they might be why they are described more as roommates rather than a couple?
@Kathleen--It's how Macduff was "not of a woman born," because he was not literally BIRTHED
ReplyDelete@Paige
ReplyDeleteThat was a good connection because it so true that today people should be looking at more than just looks and well grooming but in the book it seems as though if you have a flaw with your appearance, it make you an outcast.
P.S. I love that movie
@Kathleen
ReplyDeleteI think majority of the younger people in the society are married because they think it is what you have to do. People like the lady and Faber are older most likely knew what life was like before. They may not want to get married.
@MELISSA
ReplyDeleteI think that because he knew their names, he did work with the firemen that he set up. I think he had intentions of bringing down the firemen system.
@Melissa
ReplyDeleteHe is framing the fireman so they burn his house and then take him to the insane asylum. He clearly hopes that he will be able to kill off the firemen.
@mmoritz
ReplyDeleteI think that the appearance of a politician greatly affects people's votes. For example if a politician wears dirty clothes and doesn't keep up his appearance by shaving or showering than people would think less of him and not want to vote for him as much. However if a candidate is nicely dressed and looks nice then people tend to assume that he is responsible or a better person than the less nice looking candidate. We do still look at what the politicians care about in regards to politics but appearance is a factor in determining people's votes as well
@Collen
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, I don't think the parents have much to do with who their kids married or matched up with, but a bigger program and system designed to do that for them. That's maybe why Mildred and Montag don't remember meeting, they were just matched together.
@ Kathleen
ReplyDeleteA caesarian is a type of birth. Instead of having a natural birth, they cut your stomach so the baby can come out that way. Sometimes when babies are "standing up" rather than "upside down" C-sections must be preformed to save the life of the mother or for other medical reasons.
@Jack
ReplyDeleteIn all honesty, I go home and kick my shoes off and sit on my couch and watch my favorite shows. Reading is not my first priority. I think that T.V and technology, although it has already become a huge part in our lives, will begin do dominated everyone's lives. Books will be obsolete.
@Jack B
ReplyDeleteI'm not so sure if t.v will take over but I believe technology will. People like to read, we read the paper, books, magazines. It's just whether it's on a kindle, online, or actually printed on paper.
Sounds like television today.
ReplyDelete@Melissa
ReplyDeleteI was wondering who the fireman was too. I think Montag put the books there to continue the plan he and Faber started to think of by getting the fireman in trouble.
@BLOGGERS
ReplyDeletePlease specify which Jack you are talking to.
@Anna
ReplyDeleteThat is a possibility about the rings. If they are referred to as roommates and not husband and wife.
@Drew--Books will never be obsolete. People had the same thought when the television was invented. Publishing books skyrocketed after the creation of television. BOOKS WILL NOT DIE!!!
ReplyDelete@Inner Circle
ReplyDeleteThe TV shows would probably be made to entertain them. They don't have to make sense, but they are made to make people laugh somehow. I don't think we can understand them because are society still has books and thought.
@outer circle
ReplyDeleteWhy did Montag insist on reading the poem to Milly's friends? Why would he show them that he had a book? Then why did Mrs. Phelps start to cry over it if she didn't know why it made her sad in the first place.
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ReplyDeleteAnna-
ReplyDeleteI think that only our class has called them roommates, its nothing official in the book.
@Maura
ReplyDeleteI disagree. At the rate at which technology is moving, there will be very few books in our future. We will want to read on our kindles, ipads, etc. Not on paper. One reason I think books will begin to get used less and less is that we are so lazy, people don't like to turn the page manually. They want to be able to turn the page with a touch of a button ;)
@mmoritz
ReplyDeleteI don't think that books will necessarily die but that eventually with the kindle and nook and other ereaders that can hold hundreds of books at a time that book sales will eventually decrease but never die completely.
@Mellisa
ReplyDeleteI was confused as to who the fireman was as well. I think Montag or Faber planted books there to keep going with the plan that he and Faber thought of by getting the fireman in trouble.
@Inner Circle
ReplyDeleteI think Ray Bradbury left out a lot of detail in that part because as it's happening, the lack of detail allows the reader to imagine how horrible it would be for Montag and the reader kind of fills in the blanks by themselves.
(Kaela)
@Eli
ReplyDeleteThat's like most shows today, some are funny, dramatic, romantic, or violent but a lot are just nonsense and they still get views. Why is that? Do we seriously not have anything else to do with our lives?
When Mildred is walking past Montag after she calls him in, what does her reaction say about her character. What is Beatty saying about women and how easily women are manipulated?
ReplyDelete@Moritz
ReplyDeleteThat is what people said about the invention of swords in the ancient days, what they said about the inventions of guns later to. Now swords and clubs are obsolete to guns and missiles. However, the difference in this situation was that these things were given lots and lots of time. Over a century, where as books have only had T.V. and the internet as competitors for a few years.
@Drew--you make me sad.
ReplyDeleteMelissa-
ReplyDeleteMontags originial plan was to plant the books in firemens houses. The firemen was just the first guy on his list, nothing more but I think that he is Montag's unit.
@Jack B
ReplyDeletePersonally, I would choose to read rather than watch TV any day. And I'd rather read a paper book than online, reading online or on a kindle just isn't the same. I've watched about 2 movies since school started and I never watch TV anymore. I know a lot of other people like that and I believe that at this point they will keep life from becoming like it does in "Fahrenheit 451", although that could change quickly enough.
@Jianna
ReplyDeleteI think that Montag was so enraged by their conversation that he couldn't help himself but show them the book. He wanted to show them and have the same effect on them that Clarisse had on him. I really don't know why Mrs. Phelps started to weep.
Not Beatty--Bradbury. Sorry. What is Bradbury saying about women?
ReplyDelete@MMORITZ
ReplyDeleteHe makes me sad too but i agree with him. One day the smell of new books will not longer fill your nostrils! Sad.
@Eli
ReplyDeleteI agree, their society is so different from ours today it is hard to imagine what T.V. shows they would think are funny. Today people get married because they love eachother, not because they have to. We also describe a social person as someone who talks to people, not someone who sits alone and doesn't talk. I think part of the reason is because we have books and the other is that we think differently than the characters in the book.
@Maura
ReplyDeleteIt's the inevitable Mrs. Moritz. They will be used less and less each time a new piece of technology is released.
@Inner Circle
ReplyDeleteMildred didn't believe books had value. She didn't have the fire that Montag had and decided putting up with him is not worth it. This society seems to be saying it's easy to start over, find a new home. She can easily find another person to be "roommates" with.
@ Drew
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately I agree with you. I do believe that one day books will become extinct. It's sad that we are lazy and would rather carry a whole library on an Ipad rather on a bookshelf in your house. I think that most books will be useless to people in the future, but they will never be banned.
@Melissa
ReplyDeleteIt seems like society is becoming dependent of technology, not of just T.V but of technology in general. Because you can basically access any book, paper, shop,T.V show, do anything with the touch of a finger. And people care about the environment and cutting down trees and all that, so maybe instead of paper books people will want more kindles, ipad, and other gadgets to read on instead. Just a prediction.
@Drew @Moritz
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, I also believe books will become obsolete to technology, as unfortunate as it may be.
@Class
ReplyDeleteHow did our definition of sociable become this societies? Was it more than everyone losing the idea that socializing is good?
@Drew
ReplyDeleteI don't think books will ever totally disappear. It all depends on people's personal opinion.
Anonymous without a name a few up was me...
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@Outer Circle
ReplyDeleteSince some of us agree with Drew and think that books will become distinct, what will happen at school with our textbooks? Will we get rid of them too?
Montag is being traced by the hound, what do you think he will do to get him of his trail or will he be captured and killed?
ReplyDelete@Drew
ReplyDeleteI don't think books will ever becomes outlawed like in this book and I'm sure they will be some books passed down that people will keep, they just won't read them. People may stop reading actual paper books but they will still exist.
@Class
ReplyDeleteIf books will become extinct in do time will the t.v, the ipad, the ipod etc. become extinct? Because since were are inventing new technology almost everyday or improving it we may just keep on inventing to create the latest and greatest thing when all you have to do is to wait a couple more months to get a better model.
@JACK S
ReplyDeleteI don't think that there is any way to escape the hound unless he can swim forever and stay in the water.
@Gabriella
ReplyDeleteI agree. Books will not entirely disappear, they will just be less accepted in the future because some people do not like books.
@Trevor
ReplyDeleteI think so, we already have smart boards, and laptops, and we can access text books online too. They will be gone by the time we reach our twenty's in my opinion.
@Drew
ReplyDeleteBooks will become extinct but never banned. We won't need to ban them because no one will want them. But our world is too smart for the government to hide anything from us.
@Trevor and Jack--won't the water throw him off his path?
ReplyDelete@trevor
ReplyDeleteWell some textbooks are already online or in a dvd/cd form so I think that eventually we will digitize all textbooks or possibly give students some kind of kindle-type thing with all their textbooks on it.
@Trevor
ReplyDeleteWe are already starting online textbooks and using videos and presentations instead of reading the books. The removal has already started, slowly but surely, unfortunately.
@Gabriella
ReplyDeleteI agree. I don't think books will ever totally disappear. They might have some ups and downs in popularity, but in our society now, books are are not only allowed but encouraged to read because we know they hold knowledge worth knowing.
Trevor
ReplyDeleteI think that the school books will become electronic. Besides our textbooks are practically on google. You can internet search anything; it's as simple as pushing buttons.
@Anna
ReplyDeleteAssuming that books become extinct, which I hope never happens, I believe that in due time our current technology may go down the same road, but it took a very long time for us to get here, and it will probably take longer before we get to that point...
@mmoritz
ReplyDeleteI think that water is the only way to escape the hound but he can't stay in the water forever.
@ Trevor
ReplyDeleteWell schools may need to slowly adapt, probably not right away if there is still a resection going on, but in the future they will probably require you have something that can download the books and required text.
Last thoughts???
ReplyDelete@Moritz
ReplyDeleteI would think that it would, but the hound is very precise and could probably follow the smell of his breath.
Buh Bye! Signing off :(
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ReplyDeleteI don’t think that Beatty wanted to die. I think he was testing Montag. He didn’t believe that Montag was man enough to kill him. It seemed like he kind of wanted to die but in reality I think he was just sick and wanted to see Montag’s reaction. Although he probably didn’t care if he died because he had nothing to lose but I don’t think that he necessarily WANTED to die.
ReplyDeleteMrs. Moritz you are different from these mothers b because they are dropping their kids off so they can have fun, you do it because you have to work in able to support them. You also actually care for them and like to talk to your children, not just stick them in front of the TV. You want them to have a good life and take the time to interact with them whereas the mothers in the book are just looking to further the human race and don’t enjoy their children.
I don’t believe that books will ever die. Some books, such as the Bible, people will always want the security of having an actual copy not just a downloaded version. Plus software can be deleted and computers can run out of charge but books won’t do either of those things, they can’t be lost.